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A Modern Cargo Cult

Tuesday, December 22, 2009 | Comments (30)

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John mentioned the cargo cults in his last post. What do you think about the connection between the cargo cults and the prosperity gospel of the Word Faith movement?


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#1  Posted by Rick White  |  Tuesday, December 22, 2009at 12:41 AM

I think there is real similarity between the cargo cults ant those that follow the Word Faith movement.They both are in it for the stuff they can get out of it.There appears to be very little concern about living holy lives or commitment to sound doctrine.The convert in both are enticed by the prospect of material gain.It would be very difficult to evangelize either one with the true gospel.Why would they want to change to a life of self sacrifice when they believe they have salvation and the promise of health and wealth?

#2  Posted by Rick White  |  Tuesday, December 22, 2009at 12:43 AM

I think there is real similarity between the cargo cults and those that follow the Word Faith movement.They both are in it for the stuff they can get out of it.There appears to be very little concern about living holy lives or commitment to sound doctrine.The convert in both are enticed by the prospect of material gain.It would be very difficult to evangelize either one with the true gospel.Why would they want to change to a life of self sacrifice when they believe they have salvation and the promise of health and wealth?

#3  Posted by David Smith  |  Tuesday, December 22, 2009at 2:54 AM

I would agree that conceptually the two are similar. God becomes a sort of divine vending machine whose sole purpose is to give out material gifts.

Another way of looking at the prosperity gospel is that it is effectively baptising the culture. The american dream is to be rich and successful, and the health and wealth movement takes that and says it is what God wants for you. What a gross distortion of the message of Jesus.

#4  Posted by Nicola Steenkamp  |  Tuesday, December 22, 2009at 4:17 AM

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#5  Posted by Nicola Steenkamp  |  Tuesday, December 22, 2009at 4:19 AM

I agree about the similarities between the two. I came out of a church in South Africa which was heavy into all that and we had loads of the American speakers that came to our church ministering the same message. I felt deep down that what the product of their teachings was like magic albeit I daren't think it. The only difference they used Jesus name in the hope to make material things appear. Its quite heretical and yet like JM says you never hear anyone correcting error in the church. It would appear that being people pleasers is more important than being God obeyers. Its no wonder people say that the scriptures mean something different to each is beacuse of their mismash teachings. Am so grateful JM speaks out against this as so many poor people have been scammed blindly, what will they say to God one day. Where is this all heading and can anyone help explain the long term effect of this movement as a whole as I'm battling to get a grip on the end result.

#6  Posted by Jo Nan Fichtinger  |  Tuesday, December 22, 2009at 8:48 AM

I was so pleased with your comments today. I have been praying that God would show me what I could do for a freind that is so engrossed in this moment. She knows the old testament very well and she uses it like a geanne but the holiness in her life is absent. When I aproach her in any way, she tells me that I am being judgemental. I love her dearly and I pray that I can get her in the New Testament so that she may see the error of her ways...this really concerns me. I am so grateful for your straight and narrow teachings. They have brought such peace in my life through the good and the trails and tribulation. Thank you so much and may God bless and keep you will....we need you.

#7  Posted by Manuel Calderon  |  Tuesday, December 22, 2009at 12:08 PM

I am glad to hear that Im not being judgemental in pointing out the twisting and distorting of scripture! I once had a chance to question a Word-Faith Pastor of a big church in Sacramento. When he couldnt answer my questions anymore he simply stated "We shouldnt be against one another but doing the work of JESUS." I think thats kind of a cop-out attitude when someone is questioning your doctrine. Unfortunatley, these Word-Faith teachers have tricked biblically uneducated followers into their fold. And they hold so strong to this teaching! They dont question this pastor and give him so much honor at that church it is like he is Jesus himself! I pray for the friend that continues to go to that church and her children. Ive also looked into these teachers and the books they offer and they are all "self-help" books. Where are there Scripture educating books? They are few to none. It seems to me that they wouldnt publish a book on how to interpret scripture because they themselves do not know how! And if you check their educational backgrounds some were given Honorary Doctorites without a Theological education?! Thank You Grace to You and the ministry leadership you have in exposing these frauds and encouraging us to continue to point out the error in teaching when it does not line up with scripture.

#8  Posted by Michael Grant  |  Tuesday, December 22, 2009at 1:46 PM

The people in this movement all seem to be involved in tongues and sowing your seed for financial gain. Do either of these things build up the church? Do either of these things exhort the believer? How can a ministry or a persons personal walk be built around things that do not edify and or exhort?

Michael Grant - WLPV Radio - (http://www.wlpv1079online.com)

#9  Posted by George Law  |  Wednesday, December 23, 2009at 8:08 AM

The Incomparable ChristHe came from the throne of the Father to the womb of a woman. He put onhumanity that we might put on divinity. He became Son of Man that we mightbecome sons of God. He was born in a supernatural way, lived in poverty andwas reared in obscurity. He had neither wealth nor influence, yet the wisdom ofmen has never matched His wisdom. Never has a man spoken like this man. Hisfamily was inconspicuous and uninfluential. In infancy He startled a king. As aboy, He stunned theologians with His knowledge and wisdom for He was taughtof God. In manhood, He ruled the elements and quieted the raging sea. Hehealed the multitudes without medicine. And fed thousands from a boy’s lunch.Even demons obeyed Him and He gave back life to those who died. He neverwrote a book, yet none of the libraries of the world can contain the books thathave been written about Him. He never wrote a song, yet He has furnished thetheme of more songs than all song writers combined. He never founded acollege, yet all the colleges together cannot boast of as many students as He has.He never marshaled an army, yet no leader has ever had more volunteers. Greatmen have come and gone yet He lives all. Herod could not kill Him. Satan couldnot tempt Him to sin. Death could not destroy Him. The grave could not holdHim. He laid aside His purple robe for a peasant’s gown. He was rich yet for oursakes He became poor. He slept in another’s manger. He rode on another’sdonkey. He was buried in another’s grave. He conquered death and rose on thethird day as He said He would. He ascended into heaven and is now at the righthand of the throne of God. One day He will return with power and great glory tojudge the world when every knee shall bow to Him and every tongue shallconfess Him as Lord. His friends gladly. But enemies seeking for a place to hidefrom His face. He is the perfect one. The only one who can satisfy the soul. Hegives everlasting life to those who love Him. He is altogether lovely. But best ofall, He is my Savior.

If only I could be such a nobody as this. Having nothing but having EVERYTHING!

The true meaning of the: Reason For The Season. Merry Christmas I love you Jesus.

#10  Posted by George Law  |  Wednesday, December 23, 2009at 8:17 AM

published by the Faith, Prayer and Tract League and its title is thesame as the textbook: The Incomparable Christ.

#11  Posted by Kenneth Baird  |  Thursday, December 24, 2009at 4:37 PM

I totally agree with Pastor John's analogy between the 'Cargo Cults' and the 'Word Faith', or 'Name and Claim It' movements. There exists NO correlation between what Christ taught us in His Word, versus what the these modern False Prophets are teaching. They do teach a false gospel, with no power to save.

One problem that worries me amongst many is this; the Word-Faith movement may have success in a society like ours in North America. However, take it elsewhere, where people are living 'hand-to-mouth', and the promise of untold wealth and prosperity does not come to these people. Now you have created hard-hearted, bitter, and cynical souls that may be lost to the true message of God's Redemption because if God cannot make them rich here in this life, what possible influence can He have in the future life? This is criminal in my mind, and the only author of this kind of deceit is the same author who caused man's fall, Satan. Let us pray to have the courage to speak out against this false teaching, and give the Gospel to people as the Lord would have it taught.

#12  Posted by Alvie Perkins  |  Friday, December 25, 2009at 6:39 AM

David, you hit the nail on the head! It is sad how those who take the precious Word of God and destroy it. If we have hope only in this world how sad it is!

#13  Posted by George Fultz  |  Friday, December 25, 2009at 9:02 AM

I am a charismatic (meaning that I believe in the giftings of the Holy Spirit through toungues, prophecy, word of knowledge, etc...) and I have never believed it was the purpose of God to make one rich monetarily (even though I realize there are some Charismatics who do). We are not measured by how much we have....but by the character we exude at ALL times. The Holy Spirit is after fruit in the believer.....especially when times are tough (persecution, lack of finances, sickness and even monetary loss). God looks inward at the heart, and if you are looking outwardly at "how much you have" then you are missing the whole point of the gospel, and SADLY TO SAY you are preaching an opposing doctrine to the Kingdom of God!

#14  Posted by Rick Jones  |  Saturday, December 26, 2009at 11:50 AM

Merry Christmas All! The sad thing about this Word/Faith movement is how it holds onto those it sucks in and those who are in stay in as if they have gambling habit they can't break. I have a dear friend who I discipled for two years using the study Bible and materials from John MacArthur, teaching him systematically the character of God, the plan of God for him, the church, and the ages, and how to live obediently only to see him go into this movement swallowing hook, line, sinker, AND the fishing pole. All because someone had taken his wife who was an alcoholic to their church and instantly cured her. She hasn't had a drop of alcohol in five years and counting. It was a miracle to him and his family. In fact the rest of the family who didn't come to church much are now regular attenders of this movement. We talk from time to time with him trying to prove that he is in the right place, sharing with me the latest events but when I start to explain that these things are not doctrinally correct he tunes out or as it was more so in the early days we get into a debate. I am resigned now to leave it in God's hands knowing that He is in control, keep the communications lines open, and pray for him and for myself to be ready to deal with what ever comes out on the other side. I don't doubt that he is a true believer but what a mess this is. I know John had a friend in college that went out and shared the Gospel with him only to fall away later but my friend does show some fruit of the Spirit. IF he isn't then it's the biggest, and most elaborate deception I've seen.

#15  Posted by Deborah Dtw  |  Sunday, December 27, 2009at 12:01 PM

To John MacArthur. I am so thankful you have started this blog. I pray that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ keeps you safe, that you may stand strong for Him at all times.

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Both Word of Faith and 'cargo cults' are the same because the exterior is superficial. They imitate, create, use and abuse processes and systems to exploit people who know no better (for lack of knowledge).

Because the foundation of WoF, NAR, etc, doctrine is of the occult, the exterior will always be superficial. They will create systems, processes, situations, you name it, to deceive people for the sole intention of lining their own pockets (for more sinister plans that you don't know about).

The conditions and situations these groups create will be ludicrous and illogical yet there is a 'hold' over those who follow them. The superficial gold plated stage (TBN) or luxury designer streamlined studio set (God TV) or the white suits and massive choir (TB Joshua) - You though I was going to say Benny Hinn ;). All these STAGE PROPS hide their real goals, hide their secrets. And they use their occult ability of persuasion to further their end times plans.

Do they the 'cargo cults' (TBN for e.g.) have any understanding of their own doctrine and what they really believe? Absolutely. To say they do not know is an even bigger lie than the ones they tell to their audiences on a minute by minute, day by day basis.

As for the cargo cult 'groupies'. Do they know? Well I will leave that up to the person who reads this comment. Everyone knows what's going on in their hearts

1) Do you follow blindly because your biblical radar needs some adjustment or

2) Have you disabled your radar because the warning beeps were driving you nuts and you just preferred to go your own way.

To Nicola Steenkamp. I am from South Africa and have been blogging for a while on the conditions in SA. http://www.discerningtheworld.com

#16  Posted by Deborah Dtw  |  Sunday, December 27, 2009at 12:19 PM

Another cargo cult would be all those global warming research institutes, hehe.

#17  Posted by Lloyd Davidson  |  Sunday, December 27, 2009at 2:40 PM

From the beginning, at least from the fall, there has been but one enemy. The enemy is crafty and takes many guises but in the end the battle is always the same and against the same powers and entities. When my wife and I were first saved, we went church shopping and took what we heard home and ran it through the scripture. Very, very few ever passed the Berean test. One day I was listening to radio and I heard one of John's sermons. I said to myself, THAT'S the church, but when we found out where it was we felt the 2600 mile commute would be a bit much. Fortunately, he has always made his sermons easily available on a long distance basis. Over the years, he has led the good fight against any number of attacks, the "Seed Faith or Name it and Claim it" gospel just being one of the latest ones. We all need to beware of the enemy's latest strategy. For over thirty years we have been able to count on John to lead the way. To be sure, every message you hear needs to be given the Berean test.....but John has yet to fail it once in all those years. He has been granted a precious and powerful gift and thank God he has always shared it freely.

#18  Posted by Mike Koleosho  |  Sunday, December 27, 2009at 2:53 PM

Directly naming and shaming them and speaking out by Brother MacArthur is again immensely appreciated. Aptly and accurately titled "The Cargo Cults" - see no reason to stop what they are dangerously spreading - wealth and health message, turning our majesty King, our God, into gamblers' fruit machine....and as a member of the council of the corrupt chiefs of the cargo cults - Creflo Dollar notoriously says people world-wide and in safe churches, are "buying" the WoF movement's "package" Many so called Christians have been mixing these wierd, diluted doctrines and theologies of the father of all lies - Satan - propagated by the WoF (Word or Faith) movement. Splitting the church, bringing confusion in minds, homes and public.

I wish other leaders would stand to name and shame these cargo cultists too! Perhaps these silent "leaders" can be trained by Dr MacArthur :)

We need leaders like Pastor JM to speak out and applaudedly he has delivered again without fear. May God continue to embolden you and your ministry at GTY. Happy New Year!!!

Mike Koleosho (UK)

#19  Posted by Elizabeth Krohn  |  Sunday, December 27, 2009at 3:47 PM

As one who used to be heavily into the Charismatic Movement and has now been delivered from it and thankfully truly saved, I can say that the "Cargo Cult" is extremely similar to the Faith Movement. Its funny that I happened to run into this blog today, because everyonce in a while I like to turn on the TCT channel and just watch/listen to some of the people that broadcast on it: Jimmy Swaggert, Mike Murdock, etc..., and they all seem to focus on 2 things. MONEY and MATERIALISM. I was never one to go for the televangelists, but during my charismatic days the main thing that was taught was not directly materialism, but prayers, thoughts, and actions that would lead to that. The main idea of the Faith Movement is "Me" (if that makes any sense). Its about what God has for ME, what he wants for ME, I'M going to tell Him what I want and what He's GOING to do because, "I'm claiming His promises for my life", when in actuality you're trying to order God around and misquote/claim scripture.

So as far as the comparison b/t the Cargo Cult and the Faith Movement in America or everywhere, there are definitely a lot of characteristics and ideas that are very similar. The Cargo Cult idolizes matierials just as some of the main leaders in the Faith Movement idolize and lust after your money and your mind/emotions. As long as they tell you what you want o hear and what sounds nice and appeals to you personally and makes your spine tingle, they have you where they want you and where they can get the most from you.

Thank you Mr. MacArthur for writing, "Charismatic Chaos". Obviously God changed my life, but that book is what helped bring me to my knees and repent of the years of false religion and witchcraft that I had consumed me. I am 22 years old and recently married. I look forward to a life time of learning the truth along side my husband and passing the truth down through generations of our family to come.

#20  Posted by Elizabeth Krohn  |  Sunday, December 27, 2009at 3:50 PM

As one who used to be heavily into the Charismatic Movement and has now been delivered from it and thankfully truly saved, I can say that the "Cargo Cult" is extremely similar to the Faith Movement. Its funny that I happened to run into this blog today, because everyonce in a while I like to turn on the TCT channel and just watch/listen to some of the people that broadcast on it: Jimmy Swaggert, Mike Murdock, etc..., and they all seem to focus on 2 things. MONEY and MATERIALISM. I was never one to go for the televangelists, but during my charismatic days the main thing that was taught was not directly materialism, but prayers, thoughts, and actions that would lead to that. The main idea of the Faith Movement is "Me" (if that makes any sense). Its about what God has for ME, what he wants for ME, I'M going to tell Him what I want and what He's GOING to do because, "I'm claiming His promises for my life", when in actuality you're trying to order God around and misquote/claim scripture.

So as far as the comparison b/t the Cargo Cult and the Faith Movement in America or everywhere, there are definitely a lot of characteristics and ideas that are very similar. The Cargo Cult idolizes matierials just as some of the main leaders in the Faith Movement idolize and lust after your money and your mind/emotions. As long as they tell you what you want o hear and what sounds nice and appeals to you personally and makes your spine tingle, they have you where they want you and where they can get the most from you.

Thank you Mr. MacArthur for writing, "Charismatic Chaos". Obviously God changed my life, but that book is what helped bring me to my knees and repent of the years of false religion and witchcraft that had consumed me. I am 22 years old and recently married. I look forward to a life time of learning the truth along side my husband and passing the truth down through generations of our family to come.

#21  Posted by Jeannie Williams  |  Sunday, December 27, 2009at 4:19 PM

When I was in my late twenties I use to go to a church in which most of my family went to and that church was steeped in tradition from the south amongst african american church members and they were steeped somewhat in superstition as well as tradition one of the superstitions was 'not to ever place your purse or hand bag on the floor or ground' from their point of view that would curse me or some how insure that I would never have any money and my reaction to such nonsense was 'I was unaware that the ground in which I walked on had power to dictate if I should receive money or not (that little comment left some pretty irate) the other tradition was to always when you wanted something just 'name it and claim it' and my reply to that was 'I can name and claim a million dollars all day but that does not mean I will get it.' Needless to say I did not stay long in that church, I did not agree with alot of things they were and are doing. I see on television the people Pastor MacArthur is talking about and he is right they and many more are pushing this false teaching, this wealth and health gospel and it is doing tremendous damage to the peole who are follwing it. These so called Pastors and Teachers will have alot of explaining to do before the Lord when time comes. I thank Jesus for Pastors and Teachers like MacArthur who are uncompromising and truely teaches the Word not the doctrine of men.

#22  Posted by Ronald and Pamela Troxel  |  Monday, December 28, 2009at 7:57 AM

WOW! I never heard of cargo cults, but I do know of the legacy of Oral Roberts and others who followed him. Most of the time I do not watch or listen to "christian" tv or radio because it is only the word-faith preachers spouting their monologues. I grew up watching some of those people because that is what was on and thats what my mother watched. There is no actual Bible Study or Scripture teachings. I see that many people are sucked in by their worship methods as well - it is seductive to a great degree, but doesn't Scriptually worship the one true God. Only man's efforts to worship him. And that is the litmus test - is it truly focused on Jesus, or is it centered on man's efforts and trials in life?

God Bless Pastor John MacArthur, and his support staff and their families! Truth will win out.

#23  Posted by George Fultz  |  Monday, December 28, 2009at 8:02 AM

Elizabeth, I hope that you do not mean, and I do not think that you do, that charismatics or pentecostals are not saved. I believe that alot of the "prosperity teaching", within this movement, does oppose the teaching of Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God. Even those in the "kingdom of darkness" laugh at such wild accusations and claims that most charismatic evangelists on television speak of. God does not look at denominations but at the heart of every believer and each person will be judged for what they have chosen to believe. Do not fall into the trap that labels a particular denomination as "unsaved". There are people within these denominations who are putting there complete trust in the "finished" work of Jesus Christ for their salvation. Even though we may disagree on the "giftings" of the Holy spirit for today we can come together and fight against "ungodly doctrines" within the church. Even though John and I would disagree on "giftings" we can certainly agree on the "ungodly" and kingdom damaging doctrine of "material" wealth as being God centered.....it is "man" centered all the way. By the way....I am not offended by what you said, I just wanted to clarify our stance.

#24  Posted by Cornelis Howe  |  Monday, December 28, 2009at 9:38 AM

Clearly, Pastor Macarthur is nicely illustrating a problem that is ubiquitous with man. Our sinful and wicked nature makes us see God as a genie giving us what we want. This is very useful instruction to help the church discern where fine Bible teaching is needed. Frighteningly, it also reaveals, in my humble view, how small the real church truly is.

#25  Posted by Patrick Dunbar  |  Monday, December 28, 2009at 2:10 PM

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Over 17 years ago when my wife and I meet this topic was much alive. She came from the Philippines where the Charismatic Faith Movement (Word Faith Movement) even today is alive and well. There the bridge between the Catholic Faith and the Charismatic Faith Movement is not much of a jump. Both teach you can lose your salvation, both are centered on self service, both are based on works of the believer, both are extremely charismatic, both are founded on ones emotional response to an unbiblical gospel, both are appealing to the sinful fallen nature and both are very shallow. Unfortunately the common thought seems to pulse through their minds that if this gospel is true then God must bless me in a tangable way.

But you know what, if you can only bring them to sit down with God's Word Alone and have them hear from Him the truth then they will be able to break free from this daming doctrine of demons. I challenged my wifes church and pastor to simply let God speak from the original Greek and Hebrew and then make a sound and informed dicession which way to go. we did this for just under 1 year and now that church is closed and all of the members are members at Grace Community Church.

Our task is not hard but it is demanding:

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1I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. (2 Timothy 4:2-5)

We are called to make disciples, not converts. Let us who know the truth of His Word desire to reach out and follow that simple command - Make Disciple!

#26  Posted by Melanie Owen  |  Tuesday, December 29, 2009at 5:44 AM

Hi Nicola,we are already witnessing the effects of this erroneous theology - the church is weakened, the church becomes a microcosm of this world, the church's light is dim and our saltiness is gone. Thus, what is the church good for? The church is good for nothing but to be cast out and to be trodden under foot of men (Matthew 5:13).

I agree with Mr. Macarthur that America is under God's wrath. There is no other explanation but what the Scripture says in Romans 1.

#27  Posted by Nicola Steenkamp  |  Tuesday, December 29, 2009at 6:18 AM

Hello Melanie, do you perhaps think that all the nations are under God's wrath as there is not one country that appears to be Godly.

The plan of erroneous theology is in full swing especially in third world countries where they easily mix it in with their cultural spiritual background. Taking advantage of the poor is nothing new. The governments and religious hierarchy have been doing it for years. It is outrageous that these top dog churches continue in such a manner manipulating our poor brothers and sisters in Christ. We need to be praying for them all so that they hear God calling them out of these places and into His light.

#28  Posted by Melanie Owen  |  Tuesday, December 29, 2009at 7:05 AM

Hi Nicola, using the Word of God as the basis, we see that Israel was the nation that received tremendous favor from God. This was the nation God chosen to reveal His only Son. There were other nations then but God's Word was revealed through Israel. When Christ died on the Cross, the favor that was exclusive to the Jews then became available to everyone who believes in Him. Since the Reformation in the middle ages, there has not been any nation that carried the Christian message but America. In laymen's term, "America is the beacon of hope." Unbeknownst to most people, this was due to the fact that God blessed America tremendously. After Germany, America became the purveyor of God's Word. In Luke 12:48, Jesus said, "For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required . . ." (NKJ). Much has been given to America yet we rejected God and became 'worthless" stewards. If you look around, has there been any nation in our age that has been blessed the same way as America? I am not only referring to material blessings but the spread of God's Word. As Israel was called to spread the Word and later rejected God, America was called to the same and followed the same course of apostasy. In every age, you can see how God appointed a "purveyor" of His Word. As America's light slowly fades away, I wonder who God will raise next to carry His light to the world. Or will there ever be another one after America? In answer to your question, the other nations in our age are similar to the other nations in the Old Testament era.

#29  Posted by Carla Baker  |  Friday, January 01, 2010at 9:35 PM

There appears to be a correlation between the cargo cults and the word faith movement wherein most of the audience was just as shallow in their endeavors to hear truth then as many in the audiences nowadays. As the Lord's Word says, "they want their ears tickled"; they do not want to hear about committment or reverence to the Holy One Who has offered life eternal unconditionally. They want to know what's in it for them, "What kind of cargo will I get?", when it is that we are created for His glory and to serve the Living Lord because He has redeemed us from eternal death, so to serve Him out of sheer gratitude. When they hear about the wrath and judgment of the Lord, they shrink and shriek, "...what kind of God would allow physical sickness, material poverty, war?" God created all that is and He alone knows the heart of man and the allegiance he bears to the Holy One. Those who will not humble themselves because they want to be their own god and to be materially wealthy, are hardening their own hearts purposely to own their lives and they are blaming our Creator for sickness and poverty. This process that the Lord allows because He knows their hearts and He knows that they will not partake of His peace is part of the winnowing: "...the road is narrow and few find it." In the face of all this deception, the irresitible call of the Master is heard by the heart that humbles and allows the Savior entry and it is the believers duty to share the Good News for the hearing of the Word of the Lord that will not return void but full of grace and mercy. Our cargo is not seen but is believed through faith that the Savior is our salvation unto Heaven. Blessed is the Name of the Lord.

#30  Posted by Alain Rondeau  |  Tuesday, January 05, 2010at 7:11 AM

It is so widely spread now, they come out under many different names but their message is always the same, the most common factor is their teaching about Jesus who went to hell for the attonement of sins, or their "claim it" teaching when you are sick and in need of healing, some even denies any link to the Word of faith movement but yet they teach the same lies and defend any lies you may question about WOF.

The like to twist scripture and will tell me I have to read it in context and need the Holy Spirit to understand, I do have the Holy Spirit within me and why I see darkness when they speak and can't feel at peace anytime I am confronted by one of them, I now believe their holy spirit is the spirit of the Antichrist not the Holy Spirit of the trinity and why it is so easy for them to separate Jesus from God in their interpretation of sciptures.

When the bible says Jesus is the first born from the dead, don't tell me it means Jesus is the first born again, that is scripture twisting.

Alain Rondeau