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Prosperity Potpourri

Wednesday, January 06, 2010

Still have doubts about what John has been saying? Get a load of this...courtesy of Justin Peters.



For those who possess the intestinal fortitude, Justin Peters has a full 5 hour seminar (on 2 DVDs) available over at his website. Click here to check it out.


#1  Posted by Graham Jones  |  Wednesday, January 06, 2010at 3:50 PM

What would happen if someone with video editing software and the same lack of integrity made a video about your ministry? Come back to Gods Word.

#2  Posted by Gabriel Powell  |  Wednesday, January 06, 2010at 4:18 PM

Graham, just to be clear, this video was not made by Grace to You. It is possible that there are some quotes taken out of context (I haven't seen every clip in this video in its full context), but to the best of my knowledge this video does not misrepresent the teachings of Prosperity teachers.

If this video misrepresents a Prosperity teacher making it appear they teach something they would deny or significantly qualify, please post those items.

#3  Posted by Tony Miano  |  Wednesday, January 06, 2010at 5:14 PM

Knowing Justin personally, I will vouch for his character, including his integrity--not that Justin needs me to do that.

When someone begins an argument with an ad hominem attack, such behavior indicates that they really don't have an argument.

#4  Posted by Karla Tadler  |  Wednesday, January 06, 2010at 7:05 PM

I saw this last week on youtube and I'm glad to see it again being supported by Grace to You. I also viewed Justin on another excellent vid by "Wretched" with Todd Friel where Justin used a great analogy for what false teaching can do to ya even though it looks harmless with the "glass of water (sound doctrine) and then the glass of water with a few drops of arsenic in it (false teaching)." As far as I know, arsenic will kill ya or at least come extremely close! Same applies to false teaching! Great job, everyone!! Thank You, Lord for Your Word which gives us all the discernment we need through Your Holy Spirit. I have just recently began uncovering "wolves in sheep's clothing" and then, just a few weeks later, landed on SO4J's channel and John MacArthur's Ministires! What amazing and perfect timing in the Lord to receive added confirmation from godly sources of what I, too, was seeing in God's Word. It started for me, in October, when I wrote a status on my profile that said, "Does anyone know what the controversy is over the book, "The Shack?" I had never heard of the book before and can't even remember what I had heard exactly that compelled me to write that status, but it brought one layer after another for me to get busy on. From the book itself to Rick Warren and a New Age Movement in the Church to the Emergent Church from Eugene Peterson's The Message (since apparently his name is on the cover of The Shack) to Joel Osteen and on and on... I had thought Warren and Osteen and The Message where 'OK,' but boy was I wrong! Completely schnuckered! It always did bother me, though, that...

Joel Osteen says, "Friends, we believe that if you prayed that 'simple prayer,' you got born again." How does he know? Our assuredness of salvation comes from the Person of the HS by His revelation to a sincere heart, not by the person of any man. (Heb 10:22)... and boy does it ever bother me, now, especially after what I have learned with maturing in Christ and The Word! All these people are walkin' around thinking that they're born again if they 'prayed that prayer.' It's devastating!! Thanks to the Lord for His Truth and to you who are unveiling false teaching, boldly and in the confidence of the Lord and His Word. PTL!!! Blessings!!!

#5  Posted by Joe Watkins  |  Wednesday, January 06, 2010at 8:31 PM

Yes lets go to the word of God, because the Copeland's, Creflo Dollar, Benny Hinn,Joel Osteen and the rest of them sure aren't rightly dividing the word of truth. They are misleading millions of people on a get rich, feel good gospel that says speak to your circumstances and they will change because I threw in Jesus name. And I won't have to suffer because I have God's favor. How utterly tragic!

#6  Posted by Jason Delgado  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 2:40 AM

Graham Jones,

I have watched all four hours of this DVD series (from where these clips were taken) and have met and had dinner with Justin Peters a number of times. He takes extra precautions to be fair and make sure he is not taking anything out of context. And trust me that he does what he does because he has a love for the Word of God and is Berean,... searching the Scriptures.

soli Deo gloria!

#7  Posted by Graham Jones  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 2:49 AM

I pointed out that this video is ridiculous and that the maker as well as the owners of this site and undermining their integrity in publisising it.

Jason in effect says trust Justin and trust me!

As an evangelical missionary in France I have to constantly confront Catholics about what they believe. I appreciate that we all have cultural blindspots but the the arguments you are promoting hold as much water and are just as biblically sound as those that Catholics use to defend their extra biblical beliefs.

To make or promote a video with half sentences cut and pasted on it in gutter journalism. Shame on you!

#8  Posted by Rick White  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 5:57 AM

Graham Jones,

The arguments being presented here are not cultural,they are theological.The video is just a summary of what these people teach.They don't even try to hide it.There is no misrepresentation going on here.All you have to do is a little research and you would find this video is representative of the teachings of these people.

Justin Peters and the GTY staff are actually doing the body of Christ a great service in exposing these false teachers.These people on the video teach "another gospel".One that can't save.I can tell you that everything GTY does is out of love and concern for God's people.I have been reaping the benefits of this ministry for about 20 yrs now and can tell you they are very faithful to God's word.I believe that if you took advantage of the many free resources here you would come to the same conclusion.

#9  Posted by Fred Butler  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 6:43 AM

Graham,

I would encouarge you to go to Justin Peter's ministries and get his materials on this subject. Peter's is in a motorized wheel chair and before he began his ministry of warning Christians of these false healers, he sought out men like Benny Hinn and others to heal him of his paralysis. So it's not like he is just gunning to shoot these guys down. He actually knows what he is criticizing.

Fred

#10  Posted by Skyalr Hartman  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 7:56 AM

Graham, also make note that this seminar is a four hour 2 DVD seminar. What you're seeing is more than not just a clip of an expounded version of the full seminar. They may or may not have full video clips that show what was said and in what context it was spoken.

#11  Posted by Charles Shanks  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 8:43 AM

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#12  Posted by David Hopkins  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 9:17 AM

I admire Justin in his work in exposing the false doctrine, but this 5 minute presentation does him no favours. It comes across as ungracious and unloving, and is in a shallow, sensationalistic 'MTV' style along with OTT dramatic music.

I'm sure the presentation in full is balanced and thoughful, but this version is nasty.

#13  Posted by Charles Shanks  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 9:18 AM

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#15  Posted by Fred Butler  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 10:48 AM

I'm sure the presentation in full is balanced and thoughful, but this version is nasty.

Hmmm? I didn't see it that way at all. Sometimes, fighting wolves may involve some getting nasty.

#16  Posted by George Law  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 11:46 AM

Came across this snippet of gospel Humor? It would be funny if it wern't so sadly true. Definitions of Another Gospel:

Mistaken Memory Verses

Another man, one of his disciples, said to Him, "Lord, first let me go and bury my father." And Jesus told him, "O.K. No problem--it's just as well that you do that right now--I mean, I wouldn't want to inconvenience anyone." Matthew 8:21

But the fruit of the Spirit is: size, body-count, budgets, buildings, accolades, celebrity endorsements, denominational affiliation, boasting in men and self-promotion... because everyone else is doing it. Galatians 5:22

If a brother sins against you, go and tell someone else, but do not approach the brother about it. If he sins against you again, go and tell another person. And if he sins yet again, mention it to someone else, then drop a hint to the brother. Sooner or later, he'll get the message. If not, leave the church and find somewhere else to go. Matthew 18:15

"Teacher" he asked, "What must I do to inherit eternal life?" He answered: "Love the Lord your God with all your emotions, neglecting your mind, and love yourself first or you cannot begin to love others." Mark 12:30

"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son, well, he will be OK too since nowadays everyone knows that God's love is unconditional." John 3:36

And the Lord added to the church daily, such as those who liked the entertainment and felt the ministry was seeker sensitive. Acts 2:47

And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is tongues. 1 Corinthians 13:13

#17  Posted by George Law  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 12:00 PM

What if we were to test ourselves? like scripture says. If you do then you would see for yourself like so many have!

2 Cor 13:5 (KJV) Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves...

2 Cor 13:5 (Wey) Test yourselves to discover whether you are true believers: put your own selves under examination.

2 Cor 13:5 (NRS) Examine yourselves to see whether you are living in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not realize that Jesus Christ is in you?--unless, indeed, you fail to meet the test!

Consider what would happen if people took the Holy Spirit seriously and started truly testing themselves, to see if they were in the faith. Why, we would put them into a "new members class" to teach them that human words and thoughts are more important than fruit in keeping with repentance (Mat 3:8), wouldn't we? We would have the deacons visit them and cajole them into the group-think hypocrisy: "Sure you are saved--you said a prayer, didn't you?" "Don't test yourself... that is doubt, brother!" "That is the devil talking! Just kid yourself that you are saved no matter what! Delude yourself into the kingdom. Yeah, God will really like that. It is 'faith'..."

I don't like to sound so negitive but come on people! Pick up your bible and find out for yourself. Man is eternal; eternal light or darkness it's your choice. As for me I choose Light!!

#18  Posted by Joe Watkins  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 5:28 PM

His presentation was great. It wasn't hard hitting enough. No kid gloves for false teachers. We're not talking about Matt. 18. This trash is false teaching,it's damning!! It needs to be called that and fully exposed. All those folks need to repent and be saved. Millions of souls are being deceived, their eternity hangs in the balance!!

#19  Posted by David Hopkins  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 5:35 PM

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#20  Posted by Justin Peters  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 11:16 PM

Dear Graham Jones,

Hello - I hope you are well. I am just now reading these comments. First, let me say that I did not even realize until now that this video was posted. Also, I did not make the video - a good friend of mine did this for me.

Most importantly, though, is that as others have said this video is but a random sampling of nearly 5 hours of material. In my full seminar, I have gone to great lengths not to take any of the Word-Faith preachers out of context. I would not want anyone to do this to me and I will not do it to anyone myself. If you would like, I will send you a set of my DVDs for free so that you can watch them yourself. These W-F preachers absolutely do compromise and at times outright deny some of the fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith. Hinn, Copeland, Duplantis, etc. are guilty of uttering some of the most heretical and blasphemous statements one can imagine and they have done so repeatedly. I strive to speak the truth but to always speak it in love (Eph. 4:15).

Email me your address and I will mail a set to you.

Blessings to you and yours,

Justin

#21  Posted by Steve Orozco  |  Friday, January 08, 2010at 12:03 AM

These heretics need to be called to task. Why does getting the facts straight mean that we are unloving? Millions of people are being deceived because we don't open our Bbiles to see if what they are saying is true like the Bereans. Speaking as a former Roman Catholic, we don't open our Bibles. We assume that what the Priest or the Pope is saying is true by faith. This si why the Catholic Church is losing so many to the false religions, like Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons. They approach you with their literature because they know you don't know anything about the Bible except what has been taught by the Catholic Church. I am glad that the Lord called me. I got saved in a Pentecostal Church, but some of the things I saw were just outright blasphemous so I went church-hopping until I found a good biblical Baptist Church.

Justin, the Lord be praised for your humility, but stern rebuke of false teachers. I hope Mr. Graham Jones takes you up on your offer so that the veil will be lifted from his eyes as well. In Jesus name I pray for this, amen! :) God Bless You. :)

#22  Posted by Nicola Steenkamp  |  Friday, January 08, 2010at 7:12 AM

Hello Justin, would you also please please send me a set I would love to see them if possible at all, address: Niki Steenkamp, P O Box 1471, Southampton, SO18 9BP, United Kingdom.

My thinking & interpreation of the bible was so messed up by my these preachers for along time so albeit the video is a set of small clips most people should take it as an over view of what seems like some good information. We should be more concerned that the Gospel is being distorted. And, so much so that it is becoming more difficult to minister the truth because is has been mixed so carefully with so many cunning lies.

All these top preachers are minted in wealth and the money floats between them all so they don't run dry. They use the gospel as a smoke screen to hide the real agenda of pilfering money from poor people, manipulating the intelligent by the feel good factor, and abusing the precious name of our Lord Jesus Christ for greed. And just to make sure that they don't look bad they enusre they do good deeds to hide behind. It makes me feel ill what they do and worst still getting away with, its worse than the government.

#23  Posted by Travis Allen  |  Friday, January 08, 2010at 7:20 AM

While I don't want to discourage Justin from sending DVD sets to all of our blog participants, I'd like to encourage you all to visit his website and purchase them in support of his ministry. It's a nominal cost for a great resource, and you'll help him continue producing resources that will benefit us all in the long run.

Thanks for stopping by, Justin. To the rest of you, thanks for all the great comments!

Travis Allen
Director of Internet Ministry
Grace to You

 

#24  Posted by Justin Peters  |  Friday, January 08, 2010at 8:28 AM

Dear Graham Jones,

Hello - I hope you are well. I am just now reading these comments. First, let me say that I did not even realize until now that this video was posted. Also, I did not make the video - a good friend of mine did this for me.

Most importantly, though, is that as others have said this video is but a random sampling of nearly 5 hours of material. In my full seminar, I have gone to great lengths not to take any of the Word-Faith preachers out of context. I would not want anyone to do this to me and I will not do it to anyone myself. If you would like, I will send you a set of my DVDs for free so that you can watch them yourself. These W-F preachers absolutely do compromise and at times outright deny some of the fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith. Hinn, Copeland, Duplantis, etc. are guilty of uttering some of the most heretical and blasphemous statements one can imagine and they have done so repeatedly. I strive to speak the truth but to always speak it in love (Eph. 4:15).

Email me your address and I will mail a set to you.

Blessings to you and yours,

Justin

#25  Posted by Charles Shanks  |  Saturday, January 09, 2010at 8:32 AM

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#26  Posted by Alain Rondeau  |  Monday, January 11, 2010at 11:59 AM

I have the DVD seminar from Justin Peters, I had seen the clip on SO4J and I had to have it, I watched it all in one day, I already knew most of what was on this seminar but I was so pleased to see there was another one speaking up on the subject, we need more like Justin Peters, Dr. MacArthur, Hank Hanegraaf and others to keep warning us about this cult.

I hear a lot of pastors warning about false teachers but they are not specific about who they are or at least what they preach and that leaves it up to interpretation to the point where even the Word of Faith cultist think they are talking about the Mormons, JWs or other cults.

I work with a WOF believer and one day I was excited to play a very good sermon from Charles Stanley that I admire so dearly on Fasle teaching to this co-worker and he didn't think anything wrong about the sermon because he didn't think it was aimed against the WOF teaching.

I can name a lot of others who are preaching against false teachers but unless you expose them or expose their heresies it doesn't work, they need to be more specific otherwise only those who can read between the lines get the message.

I think it is time for all teachers of the truth to expose them before it is too late.

#27  Posted by Steve Orozco  |  Monday, January 11, 2010at 10:31 PM

Alain,

The problem is some of these preachers would probably not get any airtime on TBN & its affiliates (The Church Channel) if they exposed the false teachers. There are a few sound preachers like Charles Stanley, David Jeremiah, and Franklin Graham who come out on TBN. If they exposed the truth they would probably be taken of the airwaves. It puzzles me about Charles Stanley because I think he owns FamilyNet channel. The good preachers need to get together and own their own channel. Something is amiss here and I don't like it. Even Chuck Smith & Greg Laurie who I think are excellent preachers have made an appearance on TBN, but not regularly like the others I previously mentioned.

#28  Posted by Alain Rondeau  |  Tuesday, January 12, 2010at 12:16 AM

Steve,

You are right, if they would speak out, they would no longer allow them on the air, even John MacArthur mentioned there were radio stations that would not allow him to speak against prosperity preachers or Word of Faith because they did not want to offend their so called brothers in Christ who don't agree with his teaching. Thanks.

#29  Posted by Elaine Bittencourt  |  Tuesday, January 12, 2010at 1:26 PM

Steve, I am in Canada and although I've been a Christian for a long time, only recently (about 6 mo.) my eyes were open about the heresy preached at a lot of so-called Christian churches. I have always felt uncomfortable with the prosperity doctrine, but I thought I was the problem for not believing it until I found the Truth.

Anyway... that's to say that I am not familiar with a lot of the names and everytime I come here (gty website, including now the blog) I have to research the people and their ministries (on top of it all, I am originally from another country). I base my opinions about a minister after reading secular info about them as well Christian websites and, if available, their own websites. So, you see, if a minister is in any way associated with any type or form of heresy, apostasy, WoF movement, I immediately regard that minister as being of them. The Word says not to even receive them at our door or greet them, doesn't it? There's no excuses, in my understanding, for anyone to be involved with heresy and the ones who preach it, in any level or form.

In Christ,

Elaine

#30  Posted by Steve Orozco  |  Tuesday, January 12, 2010at 8:11 PM

Alain & Elaine,

There is alot of confusion going on in these Last Days. Most of my friends just make fun of these Word of Faith preachers. These WOF preachers don't care because they are laughing all the way to the bank. :( I took this articles to my friends at work and the WOF people were none too happy. Others received it with more openness. May God open the eyes of all beleivers to the sham that is the Word of Faith movement. God Bless You. :)

#31  Posted by Scott Thompson  |  Wednesday, January 13, 2010at 7:21 AM

if you will listen to the part were paula white comes on she says I NOW COME INTO A PREISTLY ANOINTING its all self proclaimed when they say that Jesus is not the only Son of God and then they proclaim there own preistly anointing DEMOTING GOD AND LIFTING UP THEMSELFS THIS is serious stuff self proclaimed prophets and teachers scary i feel sorry for the young christain"s who get sucked into this GOD BLESS GTY

#32  Posted by Charles Shanks  |  Thursday, January 14, 2010at 9:48 AM

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#33  Posted by Charles Shanks  |  Thursday, January 14, 2010at 10:08 AM

P.S. I am still searching for Other Good Bible teachers

#34  Posted by Gabriel Powell  |  Thursday, January 14, 2010at 1:32 PM

Charles, I don't know what medium you're restricted to (TV, Radio, Computer), but you will find helpful resources under the Links section (http://www.gty.org/Resources/Links). Good teachers that have radio or Internet broadcasts are Al Mohler, John Piper, Alistair Begg, RC Sproul, and more. The Master's Seminary has a podcast for their chapel speakers (http://www.tms.edu/Media.aspx). There really are a large number of good teachers and I'm sure others here can name more.

http://www.oneplace.com/ has a number of teachers but you have to exercise discernment there. If you get on the Grace Church website (http://www.gracechurch.org/media/) they now post all the sermons from the fellowship groups so each week there are sermons posted from the various pastors of Grace Church.

I hope some of those resources are helpful!

#35  Posted by Charles Shanks  |  Friday, January 15, 2010at 5:47 AM

Thanks very much, I appreciate all the teachers you mentioned.