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Loving Scrutiny

Thursday, December 17, 2009 | Comments (36)

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Do you think judging someone’s theology is a loving thing to do? Why or why not?


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#1  Posted by Joanne Beange  |  Thursday, December 17, 2009at 5:34 PM

My husband and I left a church for this very reason that you are speaking on here. Thank you for such clear and uncompromising teaching of Scripture.

#2  Posted by George Law  |  Thursday, December 17, 2009at 5:50 PM

Acts 17:11 (New International Version)

11Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

2 Timothy 2:14-16 (New International Version) A Workman Approved by God

14Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. 15Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 16Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.

As a member of a Berean body of believers I totaly agree with what I just heard. I can find nothing in scripture that argues against the points presented. As one of God's own elect I find my daily spiritual battle very intense and getting even more urgent if that's possible. Seems the more you point out error the stronger the push back.

God is giving us over, and satan's power in this his domain is strong. I am not afraid because I don't belong to him and he can no longer claim me. However my fear rides with other people. In my family members; daughters, son's, grandauters, grandsons, fellow workers, strangers in the street. God help me, they have no true understanding of the wonderous free guift avaliable to them. If only they would search out a truer understanding

#3  Posted by Chuck Tuthill  |  Thursday, December 17, 2009at 6:10 PM

what i think is not important. scripture indicates that judging the theology of another is profoundly loving and necessary(Acts 17:11). the text for the study of God are His very words, the Bible. all legitimate theology is founded on His word. if i speak (theology) i am to speak as though i am speaking for God (1 Peter 4:11). if i speaking in error for God it is very loving for someone to correct me. i have no desire to speak falsely on behalf of my beloved Savior and King and have no desire that others to do so as well.

preach on brother john. grace to you as well.

#4  Posted by Bobby Gilmore  |  Thursday, December 17, 2009at 6:32 PM

I appreciate Dr. MacArthurs ministry since it has helped to anchor me in better understanding the Bible. I had the priviledge to attend one of the Shepherd Conferences at Word of Life in Upstate NY as a reasonably new Christian in the late 80's.

Concerning the topic at hand, I have often been critical of others theological thinking. Since I have labored intensely for many years in personal Bible study. It can be a touchy topic since emotions often get in the way. Then defensiveness can crop up and, even if you are careful, problems result and arguments may occur. This can lead to strained relationships but even that has happened among the NT leaders who were laboring to proclaim the truth. It must be done but done as lovingly as possible.

Having said that I do have one bone to pick with Evangelical leaders as a whole and not just GTY and Dr. MacArthur.

Family Radio, also, has been a part of shaping my life as a young believer (1983-1990). I don't listen to that station much anymore. The reason is:- Harold Camping. Why has no one ever dealt with some of his viewpoints, biblcially speaking, as they seem to have gotten way off the mark? We have heard about the Charismatics, Christian Reconstructionism, Lordship Salvation, Psychology and Biblical counselling, etc... but never a peek about Mr. Harold Camping and his peculiar views. Is there a reason why that I am missing?? Please advise since not many seem to want to discuss his viewpoints. I would be interested in hearing what some Evangelical leaders think about his views. They are definitely misleading some believers down a wrong path in my opinion.

#5  Posted by Lucas Hoffmann  |  Thursday, December 17, 2009at 8:00 PM

If someone were driving on the wrong side of the freeway, would it be unloving to point out their error? No!

If my theology was off, I would appreciate a brother telling me!

Bobby: James White has addressed Harold Camping a good bit.

#6  Posted by Monty Morgan  |  Thursday, December 17, 2009at 9:48 PM

I could not agree more with Dr. Macarthur. The sad thing is, as Dr. Macarthur says, the unbelieving world thinks that THAT is biblical christianity. Nothing could be further from the truth. We have reached a point in the United States where REAL biblical christianity is not only a minority faith, but even a minority faith among so-called christians.

The purveyers of this false christianity, along with their followers, need to seriously "examine themselves to see if they are in the Faith". They seem to have invented their "own religion" and insist on calling it Christianity.

It could very well be that the Lord, in these last days is "purging" His Church. True bible believing, sound doctrine holding believers are beginning to stand out like a "sore thumb".

It seems like there are less and less of us all the time. This may not be a completely bad thing. It could be that the "tares" are beginning to be recongnized by their DOCTRINE.

#7  Posted by Laneisa Jackson  |  Friday, December 18, 2009at 3:40 AM

Charismatic Chaos by John years ago was the first confirmation that my discomfort with the teachings I was hearing in the church was valid. I use the word confirmation with purpose because I am sure there are others caught in this heresy who are uncomfortable true beleivers who need someone to lovingly help them understand they are not wrong.

Fear of losing fellowship with a group is always a big decision but is warned against so clearly in the Word. We must bite this bullet for the sake of the gospel and bear the reproach with courage. The commission demands that we not help unbeleivers remain comfortable in their misunderstanding of the truth because of this nonsense being allowed to continue unchallenged.

My response has been to examine myself constantly whether or not my confrontations are "in love." This man of God, John MacArthur, helps me understand what true love looks like. After all, Christ Himself was crucified. What a privilege to be a Christian right now.

#8  Posted by Carl Loar  |  Friday, December 18, 2009at 5:37 AM

As one that had been mis-directed in Bible doctrine for many years, God showed His faithfulness when I prayed to be shown the truth, He directed me here. My hunger for learning God's Word has grown beyond discription since learning about it in true presentation.

Having God bless me with a small online ministry to teach others the Word, knowing that when questions arise, I can come here for the answers knowing that they are rooted in the true teachings of the Bible is a blessing indeed.

My heart breaks when I see so many brothers and sisters being lead down a road of untruths and fabrications in what the scriptures really teach. I continue to thank our Lord for men like Dr. MacArthur who bring the truth to the church in understanding Christ crucified and now in us and all that means to true believers. God bless you.

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#12  Posted by George Law  |  Friday, December 18, 2009at 11:37 AM

Sure what's wrong with Judging someones theology? Can we start by asking our brethren to post an Doctrinal Statement? As part of the discernment process I've been taught to seek out the source of a persons statements. Let them declare where their core belief comes from why that is what they believe. Then take that and compare it to scripture to see how "Doctrinally Sound" their position is. Always using scripture to verify scripture. If their belief passes the scriptural scrutiny test. Real BIBLICAL not that man made stuff pushed by Scientiologists or those guys on bicycles in black pants and white shirts. Isn't it always about Doctrine anyway?

#13  Posted by Elaine Bittencourt  |  Friday, December 18, 2009at 8:59 PM

I became a "Christian" 16 years ago in a charismatic church. I was never explained the salvation, the attonment, was never told I was a sinner, was never taught about the wrath of God, only about grace. This particular church was a Portuguese-speaking church in Canada. I was right away told to seek the "baptism with the Holy Ghost". I didn't understand it but I let people to pray with me for a long time many times. I never felt comfortable with a lot of what I experienced, but I could never tell anyone. A lot of times I actually felt pretty silly. I was so uncomfortable that I never invited any of my unbelievers friends to visit the church. We were often forbiden to visit other churches, and people who asked questions and dared to question the leaders' in any issue were treated as rebels. The "do not touch the annointed" was often thrown in the face of anyone who would question anything.

After about 7 years I completely stopped attending church. In those years I had left the original church and started visiting others, all charismatic, and in all of them I found the same behaviour and in some even worse (I live in the Toronto area. Once I visited the Vineyard church which was the talk of many people back then). I was very confused, and I blamed myself for not believing. I didn't believe God could love me because I didn't believe in those things.

I will spare you all of my personal and life problems during the past 16 years, they were many. About 6 months ago something happened in my life that brought me to a close relantionship with Christ. I started looking for a church for us as a family, and I didn't want any charismatic church anymore. One day I got a ride and the driver was listening to one of John MacArthur's sermons on the radio, it was an excerpt from one of his Corinthians series (I didn't know that at that time though). It spoke so profoundly with me! I came home and went online, read some material, and was pleased to learn about the free audio lessons, so I picked a NT book and started listening everyday (for some reason I started with 1 Corinthians).

I cannot count how many times I cried while listening. Finally I was understanding the Bible, I was praying, studying, I found a love that had no idea existed!

I also found a wonderful church! But I am like the Berean people, I read their website, I wrote down a lot of questions which the senior pastor was more than happy to answer. I still ask questions, I go to bible studies, and I still listen to Pastor MacArthur's sermon series every single day (in my car, on my phone, computer at home, etc).

I am more and more interested in the reformers writings. I want to know more and more and I just wish I had more time. I am now reading Jonathan Edwards's Sinners in the hands of an angry God.

I often wonder about my salvation 16 years ago and to be honest I am not even sure I got saved back then. I thank God who has poured grace and mercy on my life and brought me to a true understanding of His word and whom I am. I have a purpose, I have peace. None of that was ever real while I was a charismatic. And by the way, I also have a lot of problems and trials too, which I now understand their purpose.

My heart hurts for all those people in charismatic churches. The charismatic movement opened the doors to all kinds of heresies, and it puzzles me that so many people would believe in so many stupidity! But then I am reminded of the Word and how it tells us about false teachings and false teachers. People are taught a man-centered gospel. It's not the real gospel. They are taught that God exists to please man. We (as in humans) have the power in our words, we can demand from God, we are gods, we have the right to health, to money, etc etc.

I apologize for the lengthy comment.

In Christ,

Elaine

#14  Posted by Travis Allen  |  Friday, December 18, 2009at 11:28 PM

Elaine

Thank you for sharing that testimony with the rest of us. Praise the Lord for His true work of grace in your life. What you described is the sad, and all too common fallout of the charismatic movement. Seeking to transcend the ordinary through miraculous and ecstatic manifestations of the Holy Spirit, people completely ignore His real magnum opus--the Holy Bible. God often works through ordinary means to achieve His extraordinary ends, which we'll see fully when the Lord returns. Maranatha!

Until then, we'll continue to contend for the faith, snatching some out of the fires that have been set by the Word-Faith leaders. May the Lord continue to bless you in the knowledge of the truth.

Warmly in Christ,

Travis Allen

#15  Posted by Rene De La Cruz  |  Saturday, December 19, 2009at 1:03 AM

After recieving Christ, I left the Catholic Church and spent 12 years in a very solid Bible based church, where I recieved some very good theological training. One thing led to another and I found myself on staff at a grounded Spirit filled and Bible based church. Then the circus was let loose on the congregation and I felt like the only "Berean" in a sea of ignornance.

Yes, I believe in the gifts of the Spirit, but the word of God gives perimeters to those gifts. Six years ago we started our own church and I can tell you that there are no elephants and flrying trapeeze artists in our church. Maybe a few clowns...

Thank you for all that you do. God bless you .

Mr. Rene De La Cruz

Lead Pastor

#16  Posted by Cyril Florita  |  Saturday, December 19, 2009at 12:37 PM

i think judging someone's theology is a loving act to do [ James 5:19-20 NKVJ ].

my question now is, is it right for any believer to do it or is it only appropriate for the teacher/pastor anointed by God?

in paul's pastoral epistle to timothy [ 1 Timothy 1:3-7 ESV ] it says:

3 As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine, 4 nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith. 5 The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6 Certain persons, by swerving from these, have wandered away into vain discussion, 7 desiring to be teachers of the law, without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make confident assertions.

someone please reply or email me at sekihmentis(at)yahoo(dot)com. thanks!

in Christ, cyril florita

#17  Posted by Phillip Nichols  |  Saturday, December 19, 2009at 2:12 PM

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#19  Posted by Phillip Nichols  |  Saturday, December 19, 2009at 2:17 PM

Yes, it is Biblical and Truly Loving in an Agape way! I am tired of the Worldly defined Eros love that is substituted for the Godly Love which we are SUPPOSED to have. If you TRULY love God's Sheep then you will Warn the Sheep and try and expose the Wolves -- For the Sheep's sake.

Why are so many people worried about offending Wolves? They are preditors which seek to devour Gods Sheep!

It took 20 years for me to wake up because noone warned me THEN! I had to have the Holy Spirit lead me to GTY where I could hear the Truth because no one here was doing it!

Acts 17:11 Receive the word with readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, "You do Err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God."

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*** To Zen Xristos ***

Philippians 1:21 "To Live is Christ!"

I want to Live for Christ and I can only do that if I know the Scriptures. We need Shepherds which love the Flock!

Thank you John, and the GTY family, FOR OBEYING SCRIPTURE!

PS: I apologize for the Deletes. This blog did not handly my formatting. I had to fix it.

#20  Posted by Roger Christiansen  |  Monday, December 21, 2009at 7:38 AM

Righteous judgment is always proper. Religeous judgment based on "Dogma" which is prevalent in modern day preaching, as well as in the time of the apostles is not. Separating truth from religiosity has and will always be a problem I believe.

#21  Posted by Neda Hall  |  Monday, December 21, 2009at 9:38 AM

Thank you, Pastor McArthur, for your stewardship. After reading the many comments made, I think back to my days in the “church” since 1982, when I think I got saved (at least I know that Holy Spirit was calling me). If any comments were made, such as you are sharing, we were always told ‘Do not judge lest you be judged’ or ‘Do not touch God’s annointed’. Are they really God’s anointed?

It took me 28 years to wake up. Holy Spirit also led me to GTY. These false teachers (because they say that they know the Word) should know that righteous judgement is commanded. In 1st Corinthians, Paul says “What business is it of mine to those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? We need to hold each other accountable. Aren’t we guilty if we see a brother sinning and we condone it instead of confronting him (1Cor 5). I want a pastor and a church body that is going to hold me accountable to the Word. I do question their Salvation because in 1John:4 it states that we should not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, to see if they are from God…..They are from the world because they speak from the viewpoint of the world and the world listens to them……whoever is not from God does not listen to us.” Some of them are sexually immoral and swindlers and many are greedy and proud.

In the meantime I study under you through the internet. You have been my pastor/teacher for almost a year. I have learned more in 1 year than in the 28 years that I was church-going. I had NEVER heard one of my pastors ( even radio/TV pastors preach on repentance or mourning over my sin)The series “Anatomy of the Church” (old one and the newest one) and the Beatitudes have been my study for almost 2 months. “How to Study the Bible” is turning me into a Berean.

I hope to be able to move to California and be a productive member of the true body of Christ at Grace Church but in the meantime what can I do for you and your church. Are there needs that I can meet (financial, prayerfully, etc.)? I pray that you're healing properly.

To: Zen Xristos

A BIG Amen. My thoughts and heart exactly!

#22  Posted by Rick White  |  Monday, December 21, 2009at 10:59 PM

Bobby Gilmore,

I agree with you about Harold Camping.There are just so many false teachers out there that I'm sure it's impossible to cover them all.For a biblical refutation of Harold Camping try James White's website at aomin.org.He actually debated Harold Camping and exposed his unbiblical teaching.You also might check out James Whites appearance on Iron Sharpens Iron.

Thank you GTY and John MacArthur for the great work you are doing.You have been very instrumental in my coming to a saving faith in Christ.Keep up the good work.

#23  Posted by David Smith  |  Tuesday, December 22, 2009at 10:50 AM

Whilst there is a lot of truth in what Pastor John says, a more considered approach is needed than what he said in this rather brief audio blog. Let me explain:

Within biblical Christianity there are a number of subjects over which Christians disagree. Eschatology, the calvinist / arminian question, and church government are but three examples that we could argue over, and Jesus will return before we reach agreement.

I would suggest that the cessationist / continuationist question is also in this category. (cessationism is the doctrine which says that the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit ceased when the canon of scripture was complete; continuationism is the doctrine that says these gifts continued).

On subjects like these, we cannot legitimately say what is truth and what is error. There are valid differences of opinion in the Christian community. It does not honor God when we tell fellow believers that they are wrong over a debated matter of doctrine. How do we know our position is the correct one? When we judge in these areas, I believe we are committing the sin of pride, because we are elevating our personal interpretations of the bible to the level of the bible itself.

However, there are obviously areas where things go outside the biblical remit. Examples are the prosperity gospel and word of faith movement. We should have no hesitation in condemning these as wrong.

Now, as a charismatic, it gives me no pleasure to say that many of the high profile figures in the Pentecostal and charismatic movements are heretics and false teachers. Many do indeed preach a prosperity gospel. I thank God for Pastor John when he speaks out against them.

Likewise, on the subject of healing, I believe that God can and does heal supernaturally today, but if that happens it is verifiable and lasting. Many charismatics who claim to have the gift of healing simply use psychological manipulation of their audience to trick people into believing that they have been healed. This is deception and exploitation of the worst kind, and should be exposed without hesitation.

But we must not throw the baby out with the bathwater. There are plenty of charismatics, not the ones you see on TV, who are people of integrity with a commitment to the Bible. They should not be condemned just because of the sins of the high-profile figures.

Sadly, I think John MacArthur has committed the common fundamentalist mistake of seeing black and white whereas in reality there are shades of grey. In his mind, there is no scope for variations in theology, and the fact that there are charismatics who are as grieved as he is by the corruption in the movement is conveniently ignored.

#24  Posted by John Kelsie  |  Tuesday, December 22, 2009at 4:25 PM

To: David Smith

"Please understand that I am not saying all the charismatic leaders are corrupt. I know that is not the case. Many of my charismatic friends are genuinely committed to Christ and are examples of true godliness." --excerpted from the intro of Charismatic Chaos, written by John MacArthur, Jr.

Bro. Kelsie

#25  Posted by David Smith  |  Wednesday, December 23, 2009at 2:44 AM

@ John Kelsie:

Thanks for that extract. I don't actually have Charismatic Chaos (it's one of many books on my shopping list) so I wasn't aware of it.

However, I think it's fair to say that JM doesn't just judge the corruption in the charismatic world, but he regards the whole movement as unbiblical because it conflicts with his cessationist theology (I'm sure that he thinks honest charismatics are nevertheless wrong).

I wholeheartedly welcome the former, as the "shameless frauds" (to use his recent phrase) who populate (and own) christian TV stations are a disgrace to Jesus. But the latter is unhelpful and doesn't build up the body of christ. It would be the same as, for example, someone with arminian convictions constantly condemning MacArthur for being a calvinist.

I hope you can see the distinction I'm trying to make.

#26  Posted by Brandon Van Deinse  |  Saturday, December 26, 2009at 1:31 AM

A speaker at my church recently butchered Psalm 137 and several passages in Jeremiah. He referred to the Psalm as "whiney" and sarcastically said "I cannot believe these are God's people". He also plucked a single verse from Jeremiah and perverted the passage's intent, concluding that the Jews should merely "seek the peace of the city", contrary to God's declaration that He Himself would orchestrate the destruction of Babylon.

I emailed one of the pastors at the church about it. He thanked me for the email and we sat down to discuss the issue. He was friendly and thoughtful, and I believe his own theology is sound, but it seems like nothing has been done to correct this error. I'm worried because the speaker failed to glorify God's judgments and he failed to equip believers with the ability to properly discern the meaning of difficult-to-accept passages of Scripture.

The problem is- I'm new to the area and the church, and I'm also young (25), so I'm not sure what else I can do here. There have been other doctrinal concerns, but they always come from Sunday night speakers, who are not necessarily pastors at the church. Given my age and 'newness', what should I do? I could seek another church, but one particular pastor here has been so helpful and loving that I'd hate to leave the church entirely, unless it's my only real option.

Opinions?

#27  Posted by Laneisa Jackson  |  Saturday, December 26, 2009at 5:56 AM

Brandon,

You are wise to be observant. And I agree with your initial approach of contacting a pastor. I suggest you also speak with the Senior pastor and ask whether any of these evening speakers are ones that the leadership agree with. Their responsibility to guard your heart from unsound teaching is very serious. Changing churches is hard though. I only 2 weeks ago found a church again after looking for 2 years. Finding the sound doctrine with the fellowhip and worship experience is HARD. Uncover whether these are things that we should not divide about versus essential doctrines. Make sure of what you believe and whether you are wrong, too.

Pray earnestly asking the Lord to help you with your current leadership.

#28  Posted by Bob Scott  |  Saturday, December 26, 2009at 12:37 PM

Judging somones theology is the most loving thing we can do for them (within the context of Scripture).

#29  Posted by Barry Koh  |  Sunday, December 27, 2009at 5:33 PM

David Smith,

'But we must not throw the baby out with the bathwater. There are plenty of charismatics, not the ones you see on TV, who are people of integrity with a commitment to the Bible. They should not be condemned just because of the sins of the high-profile figures.' True , I agree but the problem is that this bathwater is already like a huge tidal flood drowning the baby. The word faith leaders are in the driver's seat, in full control and shaping or reshaping the minds of believers and their theology has pentrated even into evangelical churches. Everyday more and more 'new revelations' are are being taught and errors committed. But few will dare to speak out and so they continue to have field day.

Those charismatics who disagree with word of faith are are sidelined and remain insignificant and eventually leaves the group. I am currently attending a charismatic church. I was approached to lead a cell group but turned it down as I cannot bring myself to teach word faith beliefs. I am not a cessationist or a calvinist but I find it beneficial to my faith to listen to preachers like JM or JPiper. Regardless of his position as cessationist , JM comments on the charismatic excesses, corruption and errors of word faith theology are in many ways true . Even if he is a cessationist I am quite sure he believes that miracles and healings can and do still take place but only because it is by the Sovereign Will and Grace of God and not by some naming and claiming or by some binding and losing or confession formula. I still pray for the sick along that line putting my faith and trust in our sovereign God who loves us and cares for us and not place my faith on my faith or on some charismatic formula.

#30  Posted by David Smith  |  Monday, December 28, 2009at 1:55 AM

Hi Barry,

I agree that there is a flood of false teaching that seeks to overwhelm the church. I've likened it to a war of attrition - the constant presence of the heretics seems to be wearing down the defences of the church into accepting their teaching as legitimate christianity.

However, the key thing is these people are only in the driver's seat if we put them there. And I certainly don't let them drive my car!

Both in my own church (charismatic) and in a few other charismatic and pentecostal churches that I know, the leadership are committed to only teaching sound doctrine. From time to time that does require them to take a firm line on matters, sometimes even speaking out from the pulpit against particular teachers or teachings. Such an approach isn't actually that difficult, although sometimes there are denominational pressures.

I'm not sure I would be comfortable in your situation, as it appears the leadership of your church want to promote WoF teachings.

I agree with your views on MacArthur and Piper - that their condemnation of deception is welcome. But I do see their cessationist views underneath some of this.

The only thing I wasn't sure about was your comment about the sovereign will of God and that you pray for the sick along that line. I do think the Bible teaches that God wants us to have faith and believe. I sometimes hear people pray "Lord, if it be your will, heal John Doe", which I think is unbiblical. It is basically saying "God, if you want to heal John, heal him, and if you don't want to, then don't", which in my view is saying and believing in precisely nothing. God does want us to have faith and believe and pray for healing, but we have to realise that, in the end, He can do whatever he wants, and in many cases he chooses not to provide a physical healing. The idea that healing is "guaranteed" is obviously heresy.

#31  Posted by Barry Koh  |  Monday, December 28, 2009at 2:51 AM

David Smith,

I think we have similar views. You explained them quite clearly in your last 2 sentences. It simply means God is sovereign in what He chooses to do. We cannot name and claim but we do pray for healing in faith, believing that He is a God who cares and will hear the prayers of His children. I don't pray in the negative by adding 'if it is your will' though I recognise that He is a sovereign God and that His way is still the best way.

I learn greatly from both JM and JP. By the way, John Piper claims he is not a cessationist. I learn about that in one of his sermons.

#32  Posted by George Law  |  Monday, December 28, 2009at 4:34 AM

1 Corinthians 13:8-10 (New International Version)

8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.

#33  Posted by George Law  |  Monday, December 28, 2009at 4:51 AM

Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your Kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as in heaven Give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who sin against us. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For the kingdom, the power and the glory are yours. Now and for ever. Amen

In our outline for prayer Did not Jesus teach us to pray this way? To glorify God and humble ourselves in our prayer to his will to be done?

#34  Posted by Michelle Burnside  |  Thursday, December 31, 2009at 8:45 AM

We all need to know the truth. Without these blogs that JM is doing I would have been heading down the wrong path. I can see things a lot clearer now. Thanks to everyone who gave a comment.

#35  Posted by Daamon Landry  |  Wednesday, January 06, 2010at 4:02 AM

Mr. Gilmore,

I am finding your comment unclear. What "bone" did you have to pick with John MacArthur and GTY? Please clarify yourself. Thank you.

#36  Posted by Lyle Pote  |  Wednesday, January 06, 2010at 8:24 AM

Thank God for men like Dr. Macarthur who will preach the truth. We should pray for and witness the true gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ to those who are not in the truth. NOTHING is more loving than to teach from the scripture and correct those who are not in the truth. Dr. Macarthur is teaching and preaching in true love and anyone who says otherwise has not read their Bible.