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Faith and Confession, Prosperity-Style

Thursday, January 07, 2010 | Comments (44)

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Here's the topic for today's discussion:

John’s clear examination of the central Word of Faith premise exposes the complicity of human greed in promoting the doctrines of demons. How do you think this plays out before a watching (and unbelieving) world? And what are the pastoral implications—how do you minister to people steeped in these doctrines?


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#1  Posted by George Law  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 4:57 PM

A Rejoinder to "Faith Teaching" Scripture Twisting.

Ps 116:10 (NKJ) "I believed, therefore I spoke..."

A slogan verse of the "faith" movement.

From this phrase we are supposed to understand that David, who had a "heart after God", vindicates the practice of "speaking into existence" our own carnal and materialistic dreams by "faith". Just like God does, you see. We "believe" we want a Rolls Royce, and so we "speak" it into existence.

From this phrase we are supposed to understand that we should not "receive" or "confess" any word of sickness, nor acknowledge any problems, sin, etc. That would not be "faith", you see. We speak a "word" of "health and wealth" from our lips instead.

"I BELIEVED AND SO I SPOKE!"

How many times have you heard it?

Is self-delusion faith? Does not God want "truth in the inner parts"?

Those who retain a love of the truth are those who would bring a "negative confession". Bringing such a "bad report" means you are an UNBELIEVER--according to the phrase of this verse! So delude yourself and SPEAK!

Er, Uh, Um... Somebody forgot to check their Scriptures...

Ps 116:10 (NKJ) "I believed, therefore I spoke, 'I am greatly afflicted" Again to minister to steeped in these doctrines would be to start right from the beginning with God's word in Genesis. But as A.W.Tozer puts it Without the indwelling of the spirit what can your ministry be? Worship must be spirit and truth! It must be the truth of God and the Spirit of God. When a person, yielding to God and believing the truth of God, is filled with the Spirit of God, even his faintest whisper will be worship. The stark, tragic fact is that the efforts of many people to worship are unacceptable to God. Without an infusion of the Holy Spirit there can be no true worship. This is serious. It is hard for me to rest peacefully at night knowing millions of cultured, religious people are merely carrying on church traditions and religious customs and they are not actually reaching God at all. We must humbly worship God in spirit and in truth. Each one of us stands brfore the truth to be judged. Is it not now plain that the presence and the power of the Holy Spirit of God, far from being an optional luxury in our Christian lives, is a necessity
#2  Posted by Orlando Delgado  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 5:06 PM

Again, I wrote of this on the last Blog. Before GTY began with this Blog series, there is this young man at my work place that as I, he grew listening to this kind of teaching: confess it, claim it, declare it, and miraculously it will change to your positive thinking. Approximately three months ago I introduced him to Dr. MacArthur’s teachings (in particular what does it mean to be filled by the spirit), not a single day goes by he thanks me for bringing him to the light of solid Bible teaching. My concern is that this ‘Positive Confession’ teaching is out there growing stronger and very few are defending the faith like J. MacArthur, A. Begg, and RC Sproul just to name some).

In a nut shell, I want to close this comment by asking those of you whom believe in the Bible as the inerrant and infallible word of God, in its original language that you study it thoroughly with the purpose to pass that knowledge for the salvation of the souls and the spreading of the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thank you again Dr. MacArthur for your dedication and passion for the Word of God, and may the Lord continues to bless you and give you strength and wisdom, we need you.

#3  Posted by Joe Watkins  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 5:08 PM

Nobody is worshipping when they are twisting scripture by saying you can speak something into being, speak your healing, or anything else.. This is not what the bible teaches. What utter nonsense. Millions are mislead. Where is the preaching from the word in these places? It's missing.

#4  Posted by Darla Wormuth  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 5:36 PM

This "faith in my faith" talk is much too hard to live up to, it is far easier to live in faith in God, all the pressure is off me. Jesus said, "for my yoke is easy and my burden is light."

What so scary and negative when talking about death? Paul said, "to live is Christ, to die is gain" that's the real prosperity gospel. To be with our Lord for eternity. I don't have a death wish, but I tell everyone, "don't cry for me when I die--be jealous."

I had to laugh a couple of time when I heard Pastor MacArthur read some of the statements by the false teachers, it just didn't sound right.

#5  Posted by Michael Mcgrath  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 7:02 PM

I praise the Lord for the ministry of John MacArthur. My wife and I have learned so much through his books and teachings, enough to leave the charismatic church environment we were in for over a decade.

After losing a child a few years ago, several members of the church we attended told us that we just 'didn't have enough faith for her healing.' Others told us that we must have had sin in our lives. They actually believed that junk! The charismatics that believe that lie are ultimately denying the sovereignty of God.

We are so glad to be out of that environment. And, we are so thankful that John MacArthur is speaking out on these issues. Please keep it up! There are so many misguided charismatics out there that desperately need to hear the truth.

#6  Posted by Rick White  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 7:40 PM

I think the only way you can minister to these people is to take them to the word of God.Show them passages like Ecclesiastes 7:2-5 and Matthew 5:1-12 and let them see God does not want us to be spoiled and pampered like infants.He wants us to face some trials and problems to strengthen us spiritually.Show them passages like James 1:2-4 to show them that God even uses trials to perfect us.James also tells us in this passage that we are to "count it all joy" when we encounter these various trials.True Christianity is not for wimps and pampered people.God is not some cosmic waiter who grants us our every want or desire.

#7  Posted by Monty Williams  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 10:35 PM

All I can say is thank you. I am a former charismatic. All I can say is thank you.

Monty Williams

#8  Posted by Steve Orozco  |  Thursday, January 07, 2010at 11:33 PM

God is so merciful in not dealing justly with these heretics. They defile God with this prosperity theology and the world is so eager to embrace it, even some Christians. Since Pentecostalism and the Charismatic movement are so popular right now, it is hard getting people to see the error of these teachings. I was saved in a Pentecostal church and I don't doubt that they love God, but some of the things that go on in Pentecostal churches just defies true faith. The Lord have mercy on all of us.

#9  Posted by Nicola Steenkamp  |  Friday, January 08, 2010at 7:24 AM

Trying to convert an erroneous charismatic is like trying to convert a jehovah's witness they well indoctrinised only through the power of Jesus Christ can their eyes be opened to the truth and be set free. Like the JW's the Chrismatic movement (CM) roots are embedded in freemason & paganism looking at the forefathers of the CM this can be easily seen i.e. pentecostalims, john g lake, ew kenyon, the azura nightmare. What a mess they have created! So glad God is in control, praise Jesus.

I too am an ex charismatic and I thank God for this ministry that is setting people free.

#10  Posted by Michael London  |  Friday, January 08, 2010at 2:14 PM

This teaching is text book case of how man wants to be "like God" , as the serpent deceived Adam & Eve into believing. This teaching puts the power to do and not into the the hands of the indiviual, convincing themselves that they control God. IF they speak it, believe it, then God must act. Let's forget that we are the clay and God himself, only, all alone is the POTTER.

Jeremiah 18:6"O house of Israel, can I not do with you as this potter has done? declares the LORD. Behold, like the clay in the potter’s hand, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel.

This is not talking about mankind and his ability to control God, nor his own life. God deos what he wants, when he wants and how. We need to line up our will, desires with God's. Then you will be joyful and "prosperous".

#11  Posted by Mark A Smith  |  Friday, January 08, 2010at 8:26 PM

Question: While there are excesses in what some "prosperity" preachers say and do, is it not a fair statement that God wants to meet the need of EVERY believer. If this is not the case, then rip Matthew 6 out of your Bible. GOD WANTS US TO HAVE WHAT WE NEED TO LIVE. Plain and simple. Financial poverty in and of itself is not a virtue the Bible recognizes.

Consider Abraham, Job, Joseph, Isaac, Jacob, David...all rich...does because they did what God told them...Does that bother any one?

#12  Posted by Steve Orozco  |  Friday, January 08, 2010at 11:35 PM

Of course the Lord wants to prosper us, and it is totally up to Him whether He wants to prosper you financially or not. What's more important is being prosperous spiritually as a Christian. Wealth in itself is not bad, it's when it becomes your idol that it becomes a problem. Jesus and the Apostles were not rich so how do you explain that?

#13  Posted by Susan Shepherd  |  Saturday, January 09, 2010at 3:53 AM

My question to the false teachers mentioned in this audio clip is; What is wrong with weakness. Paul had a "thorn in his flesh" which he asked God to remove but, God saw fit not to remove it. It wasn't because Paul had "doubt thoughts" that kept God from removing his affliction. God said "My Grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." So what did Paul do? Instead of going around thinking positive thoughts in hopes that God would change His mind, Paul said "Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weakness so that the power of Christ may dwell in me. Therefore, I am well content with the weaknessess, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulies, for Christ's sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong."

Wow, the power of God's word. These verses from 2 Corithians 12:9-10 turn the message of these charlitans on it's head.

Praise be to our gracious Heavenly Father whose grace is all sufficient.

#14  Posted by Darla Wormuth  |  Saturday, January 09, 2010at 4:17 AM

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The prosperity gospel is not only about money or wealth. The prosperity gospel is heresy (a deviation) another gospel as to who Christ is and who we are in Christ, salvation etc. It is wealth that the prosperity teachers use as bait to lure those who will follow them and give them money so that they may be rich and store up treasures for their selves on earth. Lk 12:13-34 our Lord talks about storing treasures in heaven and not worrying about what we need here on earth which is temporary, but store up for ourselves treasures in heaven.

In Php 4 Paul speaks about contentment, and let us not forget Mt 8:19-20. Then a scribe came and said to Him, “Teacher, I will follow you wherever You go.” Jesus said to him, “The foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head.” This man had not counted the cost of following Christ. Following Christ could cost you your life, your job, your family, your friends, etc. Following Christ is not about prospering here on earth. Following Christ requires you die to self.

The writer of Heb 13 warns us beginning in verse 5: Make sure that your character is free from the love of money, being content with what you have; for He Himself has said, “I WILL NEVER DESERT YOU, NOR WILL I EVER FORSAKE YOU,”(Dt 31:6) so that we confidently say, “THE LORD IS MY HELPER, I WILL NOT BE AFRAID. WHAT WILL MAN DO TO ME?” (Ps 118:6)

I have said it here before, that when I was saved I was so ignorant of the Word of God and religion, that my ignorance was equivalent to someone plucked from another planet, but I learned the Word of God, the will of God, the character of God by reading His word.

#15  Posted by Charles Shanks  |  Saturday, January 09, 2010at 9:00 AM

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#16  Posted by Bryan Chasteen  |  Saturday, January 09, 2010at 7:55 PM

I don't know if anybody thinks the same way but I do, but I was in Amway from the time I was 16 till I was 22. That is 7 years. I am now 31. This cult of Amway started in and gained its momentum in the 80s with Dexter Yager who I think is responsible for most of what is going on today in this movement. Preaching "God wants you to be rich" and "don't let anybody steal your dreams." All those preachers out there such as T.D. Jakes, Olsteen and Creflo Dollar I am willing to bet were at one time Direct Distributors or above and when Amway went bust they had to find another way to make the dough.

#17  Posted by Bryan Chasteen  |  Saturday, January 09, 2010at 8:10 PM

I like how it says at the end, "get involved in the conversation." A little play on the words of the emerging church eh?

#18  Posted by Chanthan Buth  |  Saturday, January 09, 2010at 11:40 PM

I think there needs to be a balance between suffering and prospeity somehow in the Bible. I see too many unbelieving and negative thinking believers in churches. It reminds me of how the 12 spies were sent out by Moses to see the promise land. However, the 10 spies spoke of what they saw with their natural eyes while Joshua and Caleb spoke of faith in God. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, Ester, David, Solomon, Cornelius, etc...They were not poor people either. The doom and gloom gospel does not represent the true gospel either. A lot of Christans do not believe or apply Ephesians chapter 1, the richness of believers. We need to hold out for the promises God has given each one of us in His word. Romans chapter 10:10 states that believing and confession go together. Again, we need a good balance in teaching and applying the Word of God in our lives so that we can be effective Christians for the Lord and His work to be done.

SEAN BUTH

#19  Posted by Darla Wormuth  |  Sunday, January 10, 2010at 5:58 AM

The Word of the Lord is balanced; however, it is those who do not follow 2Ti 2:15 that cause an inbalance. Joshua and Kaleb believed because God had already promised them victory. Their faith was based on what God had already promised and not what they conjured up in their own minds. I haven't heard of the doom and gloom gospel unless you are referring to the "hell, fire and brimestone" preaching which has also been promised by our Lord. Dt 1

#20  Posted by Rick White  |  Sunday, January 10, 2010at 8:13 AM

Mark Smith,

The scripture that you refer to says that God will provide our needs IF we put His Kingdom first vs.33. He also warns us that we can't serve God and wealth vs.24. He also tells us that we're not to store up treasures here on earth vs.19. Jesus also said that we are to deny ourselves and take up our cross and follow him. Mark 8:34. So,though God says he'll take care of our needs if our priorities are right,He doesn't promise to give us every thing we want.Which is what the prosperity preachers are telling their followers.

#21  Posted by Scott Thompson  |  Sunday, January 10, 2010at 8:54 AM

wow i would just like to say thank you GTY for continuing this awsome study thats way overdue i know gty has been teaching this all along but with the tool of the internet its getting the message out there. sad to say there"s not alot of other ministers bent on exsposing this false teaching thank God for GTY keep up the good work

#22  Posted by Nicola Steenkamp  |  Sunday, January 10, 2010at 11:44 AM

Hello Bryan Chasteen, your update is extremely interesting and I would not be surprised either. I went Christian Family Church in SA run by Theo Wolmarans and he was a successful salesman funny ay and for eg ""was"" partnered with a Dr Robb Thompson when he first started. This man is apparently a guru in self development and get rich successful formulas so would also not be surprised if he prept Theo in the ways of the charismatic movement. These ministers don't appear to have been properly educated in the theology of the Word but more on conforming to this world. The prosperity/health/wealth gospel must be the quickest get rich scheme ever invented and the bait get nothing for it. What a fantastic pyramid scheme and their mask the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The plot thickens thankfully there are ministers who are standing up for the truth praise God.

#23  Posted by Bryan Chasteen  |  Sunday, January 10, 2010at 7:50 PM

Zig Ziglar, Norman Vincent Peale and Charlie Tremendous Jones were motivational speakers/Christian quazi preachers that spoke frequently at Amway major "functions". Mike Murdock has spoken at amway meetings and was rumored to be an Amway distributor.

These men claimed to be very godly and I believe have greatly influenced this grotesque merging of Christianity and religion. I imagine that Paul and Jan Crouch know them well. Probably have some of their tapes stashed away. Check out the books, "God wants you to be rich", "The Power of Positive Thinking", and "Life is Tremendous". Dexter Yager wrote a book called, "Don't Let Anybody Steal Your Dream!"

#24  Posted by Bryan Chasteen  |  Sunday, January 10, 2010at 7:57 PM

Nicola, Interesting fact about Freemasons and Paganism. I see that Norman Vincent Peale was a Freemason.

#25  Posted by Nicola Steenkamp  |  Monday, January 11, 2010at 2:04 AM

Bryan, Freemanson being the biggest fraternity of brothers in the world is extremely interesing to study on the side behind that the Jesuits then Roman Catholic Church (RC), Rosicrucianism etc. I listened to some lectures by a Christian Prof Walter Veith "Total Onslaught" (on Jesus) who explores with facts and the bible the systems that are in place in the world and who's behind them. After listening to Walter it gave me excellent insight & understanding about this sheds much light in what is happenning in the wealth/health/prosperity movement. Satan has set the world up pretty good however no where near as Great as our Lord Jesus Christ who is in control.

#26  Posted by Alain Rondeau  |  Monday, January 11, 2010at 10:29 AM

We know of the Jehovah witnesses and the Mormon, now we have the Word of Faith Movement cult, the difference is the first two will go to your door and admit who they are, they aslo have their own churches and will attend their services under their own banner. The WOF movement on the other hand don't have a "WORD OF FAITH" banner at their doors in most cases and they are also infiltrated in our churches, they also come out under various names where you really have to be aware of their teaching in order to recognize them, This movement is growing like wild fire and even a trained eye can take a while to recognize them, I have been aware of them since 1994 but didn't have any contact with any of them for several years, then about 2 years ago, they invade my life from all directions and in April 2009 I ended in the hospital with Gallbladder, liver and pancreas problems, I'm still not healed yet but at that time, those so called Christian friends came to pray for me, I didn't know at the time they were all strong believers in the Word of Faith but the Holy Spirit told me there was something fishy about them and I knew I could not connect with them, they claimed to pray by the Holy Spirit, they pray in the name of Jesus but I could feel that even if they use the same names, it is not the same Spirit, there is one Spirit and I do feel the connection when I am with someone who has the same Spirit because we are a part of the body of Christ, but they are different, I feel darkness not peace when I am with one of them.

There is a church growing in the Philippines who are now spreading all over the world they even have 3 churches here in Alberta, they plant churches wherever there is a man there who wants to be a pastor even though he has no training, he can preach whatever he wants and their believe is all based on the Word of Faith, just like Kenneth Copland who studied Kenneth Haggin's teaching in his garage for 6 months and now teaches the same heresies, all they have to do is understand Deliverance and Healing the way their leader teaches it and you're in, they even asked me to plant a new church but all they were trying to do was to get me to support the man they had put in place, basically they wanted my money, they are going after the poor workers from the Philippines who are working abroad as care givers or contract workers and try to get their money. I am so thankful that God gave me a Spirit of discernement and help me recognize the flaws and twisting of scriptures.

The truth needs to be told we are in the end time and the spirit of the Antichrist is out there, that wolf in sheep's clothing is getting extremely sneaky and why I am so thankful for Dr MacArthur, Justin Peters, Hank Hanegraaff and mostly the Holy Spirit to take the time to teach us and others in need about this cult and I am sad to say that even though a lot of Pentacostals claim not to believe in those televangelists, most of them do believe a lot of the same teachings like Jesus going to hell between the cross and the resurection or their views on the gifts of the Spirits and the baptism of the Holy Ghost and other twisting of the word of God.

God took away the pain from my illness after I finally broke the relationship with all of these WOF so called friends but He gave me time to teach them the truth about scripture and why I did not want their teachings, He even gave me enough time to hear their version and allowed me to show them what the bible really says but they laughed at me telling me I should read my bible in context and I would see the truth. All I can do is pray for them and keep loving them but not participate in their bible teachings but by doing so they chose to no longer have any contact with them.

God's grace is sufficient, Jesus is all I need and I praise Him for healing my pain and I pray that He will heal me completely, at least the pain is gone, PRAISE THE LORD!

#27  Posted by Chuck Tuthill  |  Monday, January 11, 2010at 10:33 AM

once again. keep on proclaiming the word brother john.

"The kingdom of heaven is like a treasure hidden in the field, which a man found and hid again; and from joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field." Matthew 13:44

when the true tresure, Christ, is found everything else is expendable to have Him. any money, power, status, any asset or lack there of i have is to be exhausted in the persuit of Him.

that is true prosperity. to have Christ.

#28  Posted by Elaine Bittencourt  |  Tuesday, January 12, 2010at 2:07 PM

Michael.

I understand exactly what are you talking about, I too come from a pentecostal enviroment where all that is teached and preached. People who say that (you didn't have enough faith, you're living in sin, etc) are very cruel. Some of them don't really know what they say, they are only repeating what they have been taught. But some of those people know exactly what they are doing, and they do it so they can control people to gain power, money, etc. I pray for the ignorant ones, so they too can one day find the truth.

I lived 16 years with so much guilt -- this was after I became a Christian! -- thinking that if there was a person that would be impossible to be saved it was me! (you see, on top of it all they teach you can loose your salvation). I can only imagine how horrible you and your wife must have felt, wondering if your lack of faith was the cause of your daughter's death!

May our Lord continue bless you and your family!

Elaine

#29  Posted by Michael Mcgrath  |  Tuesday, January 12, 2010at 3:27 PM

Elaine,

Thanks for your kind words. The Lord, in His mercy, allowed us to come to an understanding of His sovereignty a while before we lost the first child. I still remember when the doctor told us that she had died, my wife's first words (through tears) were, 'Praise the Lord. He is good.' Even at that very low moment, we knew that He had orchestrated it and that it was the absolute best plan. It was still hard to go through, but we knew that He was in control.

The difficult part then was to go back to the church we were part of, where no one else shared our views. They did not understand our resolve. The only conclusion that they could come up with was that 'God could never do something like that' and that Satan came in to Kill and destroy. They believed it was the Lords will for her to live, but Satan found a 'hole in our armor'. They said it must have been sin, or lack of faith, or even that we weren't making enough 'positive confessions.' Imagine that!

The charismatics believe that Satan has more sovereignty than God. They say these hurtful things because they are ignorant and foolish, and their gospel is man-centered. Our job is to pray for them, that the Lord will bring them to a full understanding of truth. They use these tactics just like the Catholics use purgatory, etc. It is a method of control as you say, and sadly, they are deceiving many.

I'm so very thankful for the ministry of John MacArthur. Pastor John had back surgery today and we pray for his speedy recovery!

#30  Posted by Elaine Bittencourt  |  Tuesday, January 12, 2010at 5:16 PM

Michael.

I didn't know about Pastor John's surgery, thank you for mentioning. I often pray for him, his ministry and family.

As for our topic... I kind of smile because the more you talk about your former church, the more I feel we used to attend the same. So similar!

I come from a large country where supposely God has been pouring His Spirit tremendously. It was after one of my visits there, shortly after I became a Christian, that I was exposed to what the prosperity gospel teaches: word of faith, health, seeds, etc. Lots of people, including my husband's family who all live there, depend on "prophets" (usually women) for their daily lives and every single decision. It's sad.

I pray that we continue to grow and mature in the Word, so we can have spiritual discernment for our lives and to help others. Jude 1:23 comes to mind: "And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh."

God bless,

Elaine

#31  Posted by Nicola Steenkamp  |  Wednesday, January 13, 2010at 2:08 AM

Michael,

I am sincerely sorry to read about your your child. In 2007 we had the privelege to be by my little cousins (14) side til they shut the machines off in hospital. We were still under the pentecostal regime then and it affected me deeply that no amount of prayer saved him. But we kept our eyes on the Lord even though inside I kept saying I have faith, I know what faith is, I know how to believe I don't have to confess it every second I know. My blessed husband has such an amazing insight he kept his cousin sane & calm, by her side til the minute he was gone. Testimony to God, she came back to Him through it and now has an strong faith in God and another wonderful son and her husband came to God because of her faith. Someone said this to me once: because man fell "sin" entered into this world. Death, illness, disease are consequences of "sin" in its entirety. I remember the same as you about the teachings about lack of faith to heal blah blah blah. What hogwash, the origins of this movement are not Godly more like freemason. So the deception is of the highest order as its mixed so well with the truth. GTY's teachings really helped to set us free from the nonsense the charismatics taught us. God bless you and your family Michael. Thanks very much to the family of GTY

#32  Posted by Brenda Green  |  Friday, January 15, 2010at 4:39 AM

Some of the word faith preachers words do sound good and soothing to my ears, but then I remember God's word and the doctrines of the faith and stand on them, and I turn the channel. When I become stronger in the word I will not even stop to listen.

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#37  Posted by Nicola Steenkamp  |  Friday, January 15, 2010at 10:24 AM

Charlie, calm down dear you sound stressed. The bible is Gods final authority and He is in total control, Christs departing instruction was to go and minister the Gospel so as many people as possible will go to heaven. Listening to voices outside of the written word leads to deception. The word of God is our guide written down for all to see so not just one person can control. If people start doing there own thing like the Israelites did please read what happened to them out of hundreds and hundreds of years, captivity, slavery, total loss. But at their instant heart felt cries God saved them time and time again. The bible is what we have to line everything up to outside of that it should not be followed. The Holy Spirit is our comforter and will lead us into all truth, who is the way the ""truth"" the light... Jesus. Jesus is our centre and everything revolves around Him and He is the Word. GTY amongst other ministries are a God send to us the true believers who stand up for the absolute truth sola scriptura.

#38  Posted by Charlie Feld  |  Friday, January 15, 2010at 11:51 AM

Poverty IS a virtue taught in the Scriptures. " They were homeless, lived in caves, considered the scum of the earth, rejected, considered crazy, these followers of THE WAY. "

For a resume of your life if you follow Christ, see Isaiah 53.

Prosperity Ministers are teachings of demons....................... Remember Satans lie to Eve ? If you take and eat of the fruit, you will be like God." NOTHING IS NEW UNDER THE SUN.

A Messenger

#39  Posted by Brenda Green  |  Saturday, January 16, 2010at 7:11 AM

I'm replying to someone who made a comment suggesting we Christians throw our bibles away and not to listen to John MacArthur. If the bible was not used when I was welcomed into the bride of Christ, I would not have come. If the Holy Spirit would have drawn me, to what would he have done that? I heard the Word of God and the Holy Spirit quickened my dead spirit and bid me come. Therefore, I will never throw away my bible. As a matter of fact, I will be more determined to memorize it because there are more people who serve the devil who would have me to throw it away. The bible says to always be ready to give the word. Jesus says, Come, Come!!

#40  Posted by Renny Acheampong  |  Saturday, January 16, 2010at 11:40 AM

The true gospel ain't name it and claim it gospel! But then does it mean that we should ALWAYS make negative confessions???? Keep on saying idle words?? like: "I will die.." or "oh my God I am gonna kill you.. "..???

Matthew 12:36 (New International Version)

36But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.

This is what I know: let's say you have a headache, yes you have a headache, but put your hand on your ache, and ask the Lord to have mercy and heal you.. even as you perhaps take panodil or asprin or whatever pain killer there is. But you you don't say : " Oh my God, I have a headache.. I am soooo gonna die of migraine"..

#41  Posted by Renny Acheampong  |  Sunday, January 17, 2010at 11:43 AM

Anybody???

#42  Posted by Gabriel Powell  |  Sunday, January 17, 2010at 12:28 PM

Renny,

The answer to your question is absolutely not! The Bible doesn't talk about "negative confession" nor "positive confession." What it does say is, "Count it all joy when you face trials of various kinds [literally, multi-colored trials]." We can ask God for healing, but whether He heals us or not, we are to seek to honor and glorify Him while we go through the trial.

#43  Posted by Renny Acheampong  |  Sunday, January 17, 2010at 2:13 PM

Gabriel, I think you misunderstood me. I totally agree with you on James 1. No Christian is to run away from trials and tests... that is unbiblical. But my point is this: For every idle word we speak, the bible says that we would have to give an account on the day of judgement.

Proverbs 18:21 (New International Version)

21 The tongue has the power of life and death, and those who love it will eat its fruit.

As Pastor John MacArthur said: We must have faith in God, not faith in faith. Whether God chooses to answer our prayers or not, we must still glorify and honour HIM.

Job 13:15 (New International Version)

15 Though he slay me, yet will I hope in him; I will surely [a] defend my ways to his face.

But I also believe in the power of words. The bible says that with your words you will be condemned or justified.. and I know that may refer to salvation, but negative confession is sin before God. Please do not misunderstand me. I am not saying we should live a life of illusion; that when God tests us, we try to get our way out of it by "positive confession". But believe me... your words have power.. you are what you are today, because of what you said yesterday that you would be..

I am TOTALLY against the "prosperity style" of teaching.. you know.. the name it and calim it doctrine.. that ain't biblical... but I believe that God has given us the power of words!! Check your own life.. you will understand me.

#44  Posted by Gabriel Powell  |  Sunday, January 17, 2010at 3:29 PM

Sorry Renny, I was looking for your question which I took to be "But then does it mean that we should ALWAYS make negative confessions????." Sorry for my misunderstanding.