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Monday, August 1, 2011 | Comments (11)

Join Paul Edwards (of WLQV Detroit) as he interviews Phil Johnson on his program, "The Center for the Study of God & Culture." The subject? John MacArthur's current blog series, "Grow Up. Settle Down. Keep Reforming. Advice for the Young, Restless, Reformed."

Phil Johnson, GTY's Executive Director, is well-informed about the YRR movement—you won't want to miss this interview.

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#1  Posted by Norman Eddy  |  Tuesday, August 2, 2011 at 3:21 PM

I love Edwards proclaimation that his "Reformed Baptist" may be the most oxymoronic title out there. Try on Sam Storms self-entitlement of "Reformed Charismatic!" I think he's got Edwards beat for the smallness of the niche included in the title.

This was a great job by both Edwards and Phil Johnson. Very edifying and clarifying for us "Old, sedintary and reformed" guys who need to hear John MacArthur's exhortation as much as the YRR's do.

#2  Posted by Dustin Hawkins  |  Tuesday, August 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM


I love it, "old, sedintary and reformed"...

Too funny!

#3  Posted by David Martinez  |  Wednesday, August 3, 2011 at 6:40 AM

I felt a little uncomfortable with what was commented about Mark Driscoll. Though I think I understand and even agree with a lot of the criticisms made about Mark Driscoll I don't feel it was fair to subtly insult him the way it was done in this interview. I would have loved to have noticed some godly hesitation toward depicting Mark Driscoll as a fool (He wasn't called that but it felt that way). Isn't anyone afraid of accidentally discouraging Mark? I'm not implying that no one can ever correct a fellow brother but it should be done with love.

Am I missing something? Is there something I'm overlooking in this issue? I want to know. I am genuinely open to my comment being corrected by Phil or anyone.

Other than that, great interview. Keep up the good work!

#4  Posted by Matt Tocco  |  Wednesday, August 3, 2011 at 6:58 AM

Humility and accurately presenting God's Truth are the key components in any ministry, whether it's John MacArthur's and Grace to You, the local church of less than 100 members, the mega-churches or even in my personal ministry. You mention the problem of the flock getting starry-eyed when it comes to God's messenger, however it's the messenger that can get too full of himself at times as well. I know that happens to me. When people start listening to me I start to believe that I know what I'm talking about, that's when I step back to pray and study, pointing others to Scripture and away from my opinion.

Oh yeah, and isn't it "sedentary"?

#5  Posted by Anderson Esteban  |  Wednesday, August 3, 2011 at 10:00 AM

Very edifying interview. John Macarthur is a Senior in the gospel, he has lived a life in the church during more time than younger people, thus he knows much more about the source of the true gospel and theology, in fact [he has been drinking from the parents of the reformed church].

The issue here with the YRR ministry is that their focus is to reach the'unreachable' young people that the traditional church can't. But they miss the pure doctrine and theology, they are miss an accurate concept of God, The Gospel and nature of men, consequently they show a gospel with [sport views]. The idea is to win young people for the gospel with human efforts, and human 'tools' leaving apart the power of the Holy Spirit.

I putting this comment because i am a young man ( 25) that used to be part of a subculture before meeting Christ, later on I was invited to take place on a subcultures ministry focus on reaching subcultures with theory bases on the emergent church. Now I realize that i didn't meet the gospel because of an external show up, neither because of a rock christian song, I meet Christ in a personal treatment with God. The souls aren't brought to the grace due to a human effort but through Holy Spirit work.

John 3.6 KJV 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

what is the emergent church origin then? flesh or spirit ?


#6  Posted by Brandon Davison  |  Wednesday, August 3, 2011 at 2:37 PM

I personally want to thank John MacArthur for his love and dedication extended towards us yrr's. (I'm 28 do I count as one lol) Who else do you know has the courage or biblical knowledge to effectively praise yet sharply rebuke us all in one blog post? This is what is missing in the ministry today. Too many young men looking for the spotlight and not spending hours in "the light" (the word of God).

I came out of the charismatic church of God in Christ due in large part to the solid teachings of John MacArthur and my personal bible study. The young men in these Churches have absolutely no desire whatsoever to live for God much less to correctly teach His word. So again I say thank you Pastor Johnny Mac!

One more thing I hear quite a few people getting a little upset about the criticisms of Mark Driscoll. The bible says:

"Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be still wiser; teach a righteous man, and he will increase in learning." Proverbs 9:9

We will see if he learns something....

#7  Posted by Patch Pollitt  |  Wednesday, August 3, 2011 at 5:06 PM

I feel you #3. I don't know if it is just the kind of person I am, but I reckon method or process are just as important as words said. Think about how you best receive information or correction. The first thing for me that is big is that the person giving me correction (whether a stranger or friend) somehow has conveyed they have my best interests in mind. Not necessarily words but has revealed their heart to have a concern for my own. I appreciated how MacArthur in his first post in this series put in deposits before he made withdrawals...still I would love to hear more of his heart towards brothers. It will be interesting to see what MacArthur has too say next. It must be hard to write to a general category of people when it probably only applies to a small percentage.

#6 I agree the mark of a godly man is how he responds to correction. I just struggle a little bit with----Instruction + Teaching = Blogging

I guess what I mean is I wish there was so much more involved than posting blogs and comments....and now I am guilty.

#8  Posted by Rebecca Schwem  |  Wednesday, August 3, 2011 at 8:45 PM

Regarding the members of small churches not giving the same respect to their pastor as they give the John MacArthurs or John Pipers or perhaps RC Sprouls or Al Mohlers of the world, there is a risk if the folks only listen to their own pastor.

I've seen members in small churches that clung so tightly to their pastor that they failed to see how the leadership was not properly shepherding them. They seldom have growth and think whatever comes out of their pastor's mouth is the fact, they think his opinion is the only gospel. They never listen to anyone else's voice. They almost appear to be a tightly knitted club where only the pastor has the password. He is placed on a very high pedestal. It's a dangerous thing.

So that's the other end of the spectrum. Small churches can be at risk for giving their pastor too much power just as much as those believers who bestow their admiration upon the more public pastors. You don't hear about them a lot because they like it that way. The leadership knows that few outsiders will pay little attention to their little church and so are not worried about their doctrine being challenged.

No, I'm not saying this is true about all small churches. I'm speaking of the ones you don't even know they exist. Some with a controlling pastor that discourages members from learning doctrine from anyone other than himself. He keeps his congregation in the dark. And all the attention is on him. It amazes me when I ask these folks if they ever listen to the aforementioned pastors/scholars, they have no clue of whom I talking about.They have computers. They know about blogs. But the control is such few consider doing a search and checking anyone else out.

Plus, because they are so small, everybody really knows everybody. No one wants to ask the other first if they caught JM on GTY. If not careful, small churches can become cult like.

So it's a 2 way street, in my opinion. Both sides of the coin needs to be addressed. A big church is no guarantee that the leadership gives all the praise and glory to Christ. A small church is no guarantee either. It is capable of having it's own little kingdom.

#9  Posted by William Stinson  |  Thursday, August 4, 2011 at 8:29 AM

Love it, superstar admiration sorry John M I am guilty, but I do highly respect and learn from my Pastor at CC Santa Cruz (Hi Bill).I have attended many good Churches the message was "Rock" solid in all cases but delivered in different ways.

Small churches with controlling pastors my skin still crawls when I think of Jonestown.

#10  Posted by Brandon Davison  |  Thursday, August 4, 2011 at 10:02 AM

@#7 I definitely understand how you feel. It would be nice to see people actually engage each other face to face for correction, friendship, and fellowship. In this day of Facebook, twitter, blogging and all the other social networks I think we do a dis-service when we fail to actually interact with one another in person from time to time.

I wish I could meet other sound doctrine brothers in the Lord in person, (there is a severe lack of them here in San Antonio, Texas) but such is Life. My blog is how I have to interact with them for now.

I am thankful for my Pastor Tim Conway of and my Church Grace Community (same name as Pastor Johnny Mac's lol) There are men of God who teach His word with all sound doctrine out there....


#11  Posted by Rick White  |  Thursday, August 4, 2011 at 1:47 PM

Patch #7,

I understand what you are saying about receiving correction and whether the person has your best interests in mind. But, John MacArthur has always put the "flock" first. He obviously feels obligated to protect us from those who would bring reproach upon the church. Correction can come in many forms. Sometimes it can be a gentle nudge and sometimes it needs to be a swift kick in the pants. Both can be done out of love and scripture is full of both kinds. So if John MacArthur sounds like he's using the latter method of correction I'm sure it's for a good reason and we should give him the benefit of the doubt. It sounds to me like many of the YRR's show their immaturity by how they react to John's justified correction.